EASY FRIDAYS: How (NOT) to Party
November 18, 2022
Glennon Doyle:
It’s Easy Friday. Abby’s favorite day.
Abby Wambach:
This is the day I live for.
Glennon Doyle:
This is the day we don’t do any hard things. We don’t attempt any paradigm shifts. We just stop doing hard things, let it go. So, today I have a story to tell. This story, is going to unfold in three parts. Okay?
Abby Wambach:
Oh, y’all be ready.
Glennon Doyle:
Just here’s the deal. I had to go to a party recently. Now, I wanted-
Amanda Doyle:
I thought we weren’t going to do hard things?
Glennon Doyle:
Well, exactly.
Amanda Doyle:
And you’re starting with the hardest thing.
Abby Wambach:
It wasn’t a Friday. It was not on a Friday.
Glennon Doyle:
I want to walk the pod squad through what it is like for me to have to go to a party because we all joke about it. We all have all of the memes about preferring to stay home and being introverts and too much people out here. But I really feel like I want to walk through the experience.
Glennon Doyle:
The reason why I was going to this party, and that I was committed to going to this party, is because this party was a birthday party for one of my favorite people on the earth. And so when something like that happens, I say to myself, “Self, you will do this hard thing. You will get your to this thing like a capable human being and you will celebrate your goddamn friend.” Now, this is-
Amanda Doyle:
Your goddamn friend.
Glennon Doyle:
This is what it’s like for me, and Abby, you can give your side. When I got the invitation a month before the party, I was already scared. I already started to think of my life in terms of now until that really hard thing. And then after that hard thing.
Abby Wambach:
A before and after.
Glennon Doyle:
A before and after story. We just have to get to that night where I’m going to have to go to that party, and then afterwards I’ll be able to breathe. That’s how I run my entire life.
Amanda Doyle:
It’s like the bar exam or basic training.
Glennon Doyle:
Well, exactly.
Amanda Doyle:
“I can do it.”
Glennon Doyle:
Exactly. That’s how it feels. And to me, it feels like, if I was going to put it in a word, the word would be dread. That’s the feeling of it. It’s like an aching fear inside of me that tells me I am not safe until that event is over. Now, I’m going to try to describe, because I know for a lot of people that’s not going to make any sense. That seems totally ridiculous.
Glennon Doyle:
And so I’ve been trying to figure out how to put into words what it’s like for me. First of all, I tried to explain it to you and to Abby and Emma, the day before. And I described it as this feeling that I cannot believe, I cannot believe that we are required to go out, to take our bodies out into spaces where we’re just going to be walk around or stand and people are going to look at us directly with all of our skin and hair and all of these strange, weird human things. And we’re just going to look at them and they’re going to look at us and we’re going to have to just improv for hours.
Amanda Doyle:
Improv.
Glennon Doyle:
We are all going to improv for hours. We’re just agreeing to this shit. And I also feel, I’ve thought about this a lot and I think one of the things that scares me so much about a party is that there’s no structure. If someone invites me to a play or to something where I know we’re going to walk in and then we’re going to sit down and we’re all going to be looking in one direction and there’s a goal and then a structure, and then we’re going to leave. But no, no, no. This situation, improv for three hours, lots of standing. I don’t like standing. I feel like standing is too much surface area of exposure. I like a sitting party. I can sit. And milling? Oh my God. Who do I stand with? Who do I talk to? What do I say? What do they say to me?
Amanda Doyle:
Mine is always, when is it… Have I been talking to this person too long?
Glennon Doyle:
Yeah.
Amanda Doyle:
Is this person sick of talking to me? Because when you’re standing there, you could all agree, “All right. Let’s just talk for 30 minutes because then we don’t have to bump a new group.” But then I think, “Does this person want to be done talking to me?”
Glennon Doyle:
Yes. And I always feel like everyone wants to be done talking. I mean, let’s be honest, they probably do want to be done talking to me in these scenarios.
Abby Wambach:
No, they don’t.
Amanda Doyle:
Only because you’re worried about the surface area of standing. Yes. They probably do want to stop talking to you.
Abby Wambach:
Yeah, that energy might be a little bit off putting.
Glennon Doyle:
Maybe. But I always think that everyone who’s talking to… Did I mentioned this on the podcast that I feel like everyone’s doing me a favor by talking to me?
Abby Wambach:
Yes.
Glennon Doyle:
Okay. I feel like it’s pity, so I should end it for everybody. So, as someone walks up-
Amanda Doyle:
That’s the only reason I’m on this podcast. I feel really bad for you.
Glennon Doyle:
Yeah. If someone walks up to me and talks to me, I assume they saw me being awkward and they’re trying to do their good deed for the day. And so I should end it as soon as possible to let them be free. They say, “How are you?” I say, “I’m fine.” And then I shut it down. So, that’s effing awkward.
Glennon Doyle:
I’m going through all of this. I’m having the talk with Abby and Emma. I actually have a talk with my therapist. I have a new therapist. That’s a total side story we’ll talk about soon. Emma says, “Mom, you’re going to go to this thing. Don’t forget what you say to me. No one’s thinking about you as much as you think they are. You’re just going to go, it’s going to be normal. You’re going to have your experience and then you’re going to come home.” “Okay,” to my 14-year-old, I say, “Okay, I hear you. We can do hard things. I’m going to this party to celebrate my friend.” Abby and I get dressed up, we get in our car, we drive to this very fancy party. We are standing in this holding room.
Abby Wambach:
This is my favorite part of this story. She calls the place where we were having cocktails and hors d’oeuvres, this is-
Amanda Doyle:
Where you were not having cocktails.
Abby Wambach:
Yeah, we were not having cocktails. We were having water and hors d’oeuvres. She calls it a holding place.
Glennon Doyle:
It’s a holding room. Okay. Well also, let’s say that too. We are dead sober all the time, every day of our life. And I think that a lot of people don’t have any anxiety about social party events because they go and they get to have their three drinks. We don’t have the liquid courage of taking away the awkwardness.
Abby Wambach:
That’s right, that’s right.
Glennon Doyle:
We are in the holding room and there’s all of these very lovely, very fancy people at this thing. So far so good. I’ve got my little spear of chicken-
Abby Wambach:
Which I took immediately after the chicken was done.
Glennon Doyle:
Because it was dangerous for me to have another job.
Abby Wambach:
I was like, “You’re going to stab somebody, so just let me hold the garbage.”
Glennon Doyle:
We had already done the thing where Abby and I were standing by ourselves and we didn’t have anyone to talk to. But I don’t only forget how to talk to other human beings. I forget how to talk to my wife.
Abby Wambach:
It’s the weirdest thing.
Glennon Doyle:
So, I look at her and I say, “Give me a topic. Give me a topic. Let’s just-“
Abby Wambach:
“Are we doing it right?”
Glennon Doyle:
Are we doing this? Are we doing it? These big curtains open to the holding room-
Amanda Doyle:
From the holding cell?
Glennon Doyle:
From the holding cell. And then in front of us is this beautiful table for all of these people to sit down and celebrate this person who is one of the most beautiful people on the earth. I think this is really going well so far. So, people start walking from the holding cell into the seating room. I start to gain great confidence, so I start to walk along with everyone from one room to the other. And I fall so… I don’t fall like I trip. I fall like I tumble down the stairs, land spread eagle on the ground, the stone ground. My purse flies, my shoe flies off my body. And now I’m lying on the stone.
Abby Wambach:
Face down.
Glennon Doyle:
And by the way, there’s no other event happening. This is the transition time. The only thing that’s happening is me on the ground in a fancy dress on the floor.
Amanda Doyle:
Oh my God. So good.
Glennon Doyle:
I’m just laying there. And there’s a moment of, “Well, this isn’t happening,” because there’s dead silence because no one knows to do in the situation, right?
Amanda Doyle:
If you thought the pity was bad before…
Glennon Doyle:
Right, right. But now I notice that I’ve brought Abby halfway with me. So, I’m lying on the ground and Abby is kind of hunched over me.
Abby Wambach:
Well, what happened was we were holding hands, walking down the two steps-
Glennon Doyle:
The two steps, she says without any judgment. It’s three steps.
Abby Wambach:
Glennon thought there was one. And so she got stripped on that last step and then flies forward. But because we were holding each other, we were holding hands, she was then using me as a way to hopefully catch her.
Amanda Doyle:
Which you did not do.
Abby Wambach:
No, I did not. Because she went down so hard, fully on her face, that I had to end up… I was coming down, so I had to take a big giant step. And now I’m straddling Glennon who is face down on the ground and I’m over her and I am obviously trying to figure out what… Not what happened because clearly-
Glennon Doyle:
And then what happened?
Abby Wambach:
Trying to figure out how to solve this situation. And Glennon looks up over her shoulder and she says to me, “Is this really happening?”
Glennon Doyle:
Because you know that moment where you’re, “Certainly, this seems bad, but honey,” I’m saying to myself, “Honey, I’m on the ground. Honey, for sure we’re in bed.”
Abby Wambach:
Yeah, it’s a dream. Nightmare.
Amanda Doyle:
“This is a nightmare.”
Glennon Doyle:
“And sweetheart, you’re going to wake up.”
Amanda Doyle:
You’re catastrophizing this isn’t happening.
Glennon Doyle:
Exactly. You’re going to be safe in your little bed. But I did see my wife say, “Yes, this is really happening.” Then I stood up. My knees were so bashed up. It’s amazing what shame can override.
Amanda Doyle:
Yeah, the adrenaline. Yeah.
Glennon Doyle:
Yes. Those parents who become superheroes out of love and they lift up cars. I became a superhero out of shame.
Abby Wambach:
And lifted up herself.
Glennon Doyle:
And I lifted up myself.
Abby Wambach:
To her feet.
Glennon Doyle:
I lifted myself up with no dignity. But I just thought the only thing you can do now to make this worse for you and your friend, who has created this extremely beautiful evening and you have now directed every bit of attention to yourself on the floor. And now this is mostly what people are going to remember of this party. No matter what beautiful things happen.
Abby Wambach:
This moment was the thing that everybody else in the party was like, “Well, at least that wasn’t me.” When they go home from this party-
Amanda Doyle:
Yeah, that’s service.
Abby Wambach:
They’re like, “At least I didn’t fall on my face.”
Glennon Doyle:
Yeah, yeah. And so we made it through the rest of the night. I did have a friend who was coming late and we kept texting her, “Three steps. It’s three steps. It’s three steps.” And she came in and was like, “What the fuck? Why are you so obsessed with how many steps are here?” I’m like, “I’ll tell you why.” Here’s the deal. It was almost worth it just because we made it through the rest of the night. We did not talk about it because we didn’t want to bring any more attention to ourselves.
Abby Wambach:
I would look at her and she’d go, “Nope, I’m not ready yet. We can’t talk about it yet.”
Amanda Doyle:
Too early. Too early.
Glennon Doyle:
It’s not funny yet.
Abby Wambach:
And then every once in a while she’d go, “My knees really hurt.” And I’m like, “I bet they do.” She’s like, “It’s stone.”
Glennon Doyle:
It was stone.
Abby Wambach:
“It’s stone. It wasn’t carpet. It was stone.”
Glennon Doyle:
Yeah.
Amanda Doyle:
What happened with your shoes in your purse? I need to know. Who went scampering over-
Glennon Doyle:
Somebody.
Abby Wambach:
I did it. I did it.
Glennon Doyle:
Oh, was it you?
Abby Wambach:
Yeah, I grabbed it all.
Glennon Doyle:
Yeah. Somebody returned, you said to me-
Abby Wambach:
Because you then released my hand that you were holding with such force, you released it. And when I confirmed that, yes, in fact you had fallen down on your face, I reached forward and I grabbed your shoe and then I reached forward and… Well, I helped you up and then I grabbed your purse.
Glennon Doyle:
Yeah. I’ll never, ever, honey, forget your face. What you looked like. You looked like, “I cannot believe this is happening right now.”
Abby Wambach:
Yeah, that was surprising.
Glennon Doyle:
You know what I realized? I mean, clearly I was humiliated in front of everyone, a hundred people. But I knew it was bad when I felt embarrassed in front of Abby with it. I was embarrassed in front of Abby. I was like, “I cannot believe I did this to you.”
Abby Wambach:
I started laughing from the beginning though.
Glennon Doyle:
I know.
Abby Wambach:
I could not keep it together because I had been with her for the previous month of her thinking and talking about this fucking party and, “What am I going to wear and how do you think it’s going to go?” And all of these things.
Amanda Doyle:
Do you think I’m going to scratch my knees?
Abby Wambach:
I was like, “This is such a God shot.” What a hilarious joke that God just played on you.
Glennon Doyle:
Right. And going back to the previous, part one of the story, which is the pre-fall, the obsessing, the anxiety manifests for me as a feeling of dread, but also a incessant planning or trying to control the future experience by over and over and over planning everything. It feels like you can take away the fear if you’re going to control it to death or something, so you just think about it constantly. Of course, that’s the opposite of joy, which is being here today. So, all of my month before was just thinking about this moment. That’s what Abby was talking about.
Glennon Doyle:
We get into the car afterwards and we’ve made it through. It’s quiet for a moment in the car. She hasn’t even started the car. And then she starts the car and we both start laughing and we don’t stop laughing until we get halfway home. It was 20 min. I mean, we could not, it was like a workout. I was definitely peeing in my pants a little bit.
Abby Wambach:
Your mascara was running all the way-
Glennon Doyle:
No words.
Abby Wambach:
Oh my God.
Glennon Doyle:
It was worth it just for that.
Abby Wambach:
Oh my God.
Glennon Doyle:
So then I’m so excited for therapy because I’m like, “Oh, remember all those things you said about how it was going to be okay? Well, was it anxiety or am I a fortune teller?” Because-
Amanda Doyle:
Or did I not prepare enough for this party?
Glennon Doyle:
Exactly. Here’s part three of the story, which is the postmortem. My therapist thinks it’s the most excellent, wonderful thing that could have ever happened.
Abby Wambach:
Agreed.
Glennon Doyle:
To me. Because so much about the nervousness or the anxiety, there’s ego in it. I don’t know. There’s something about it that’s fear that everything goes perfectly. If something that wild happens, it just makes you immediately let go of any ideas of control. And that whole neurotic thing that I do, which is I’ve heard it best described as I am the piece of shit around which the world revolves. I am shit, but everyone thinks about me all the time. That it’s kind of an implosion of that idea.
Glennon Doyle:
And then we had this amazing discovery on the way home, part two of the drive home, where we got our shit together and just started talking instead of laughing. And we were talking about what I was saying on the way to the party, which was, “It just feels so exposing.” This whole experience feels… just having to go places, I feel so exposed, so exposed.
Abby Wambach:
“People can see my skin.”
Glennon Doyle:
“People can see my skin.” I kept saying it, and Abby kept saying, “Skin is to be seen.” But it was like our friend Katie said after Covid when she went out into the world and she was like, “Why are people looking at my face? My face is private.” That’s how it felt.
Glennon Doyle:
But then we realized I was wearing to that party a dress that I was totally uncomfortable in, that was very low cut, short, girly femme, showing a lot of skin. I was wearing stilts-
Abby Wambach:
High heels.
Glennon Doyle:
On my feet. I was wearing shoes that had a whatever inch heel. And I was complaining about feeling insecure and exposed and I was wearing no clothes and stilts.
Glennon Doyle:
And thinking this was an existential feeling. Like, “My soul feels exposed, my spirit feels wobbly.” But also my body was exposed and my legs felt wobbly because of the stilts. I think it’s an interesting thing to consider. Abby doesn’t feel exposed. She’s always totally covered up and she’s wearing shoes that are sensible. Had I been wearing different shoes, maybe I wouldn’t have fall down the stairs. I think it’s an interesting thing to consider about compulsory wardrobe things for women when maybe we do actually feel exposed and insecure in our feet because that’s how our clothes are designed.
Abby Wambach:
And some people want to expose themselves. That’s a thing that makes them feel less anxious.
Glennon Doyle:
Strong, maybe that makes them feel strong.
Abby Wambach:
But not you.
Glennon Doyle:
Not me.
Abby Wambach:
We’ve just learned.
Glennon Doyle:
And we put our learning into work because the next week, just this past week we had to go to a thing. It wasn’t a night party, it was a little bit more structured, so I wasn’t dreading about it, but I did wear very sensible clothes and sensible shoes. And how many times did I fall?
Abby Wambach:
Zero.
Glennon Doyle:
Zero times.
Amanda Doyle:
Science, people. It’s science. Zero times.
Abby Wambach:
Night times are more stressful for you than-
Glennon Doyle:
Day times are more stressful.
Abby Wambach:
Why?
Glennon Doyle:
Yeah. Oh God, I don’t know.
Amanda Doyle:
It’s darker?
Glennon Doyle:
It’s darker. I’m tired. I don’t know. But it’s a thing. Anyway, that is my story and…
Amanda Doyle:
It’s amazing.
Abby Wambach:
Thank you for making it happen.
Glennon Doyle:
If I could undo it, I wouldn’t just because laughing that hard with your partner, I mean-
Abby Wambach:
Yeah, that ride home was my favorite thing.
Glennon Doyle:
Do you know my first thought on the ground was, “This can’t be happening. Is this happening?” And then my second thought is, “I’m so embarrassed.” And then my third thought was, “I really want to text Dynna and Sister and Allison,” from the floor. Because it’s like a good day is a good day, but a bad day is a good story. And I’d almost rather have the story. It lasts longer.
Abby Wambach:
So, would you consider this the worst possible case scenario for-
Glennon Doyle:
No.
Abby Wambach:
… for a party, going to a party, falling down?
Glennon Doyle:
No. No.
Abby Wambach:
What is?
Glennon Doyle:
The worst case scenario is I say something that hurts someone’s feelings. I say or do something that makes someone else uncomfortable. Making myself uncomfortable, also you know my clumsiness. So, I’ve had so many experiences, leading up to this one.
Abby Wambach:
Now, this particular, let’s just say physical uncomfort or something physically happening.
Glennon Doyle:
Okay, yes.
Abby Wambach:
This might rise to the top of maybe one of the worst things that could happen to you?
Glennon Doyle:
Yeah, especially because the skirt wasn’t stiff. So, it was so much of my ass. It was just so much was exposed.
Abby Wambach:
My question is, what now do you think about, because we will be going to an event later this week.
Glennon Doyle:
What?
Abby Wambach:
Yeah.
Glennon Doyle:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But structured. That is a dinner and it has a structure and a stage.
Abby Wambach:
Okay. Well, one of the worst things that could happen in my mind has happened and you survived. Is there growth in this way? Which you’re preparing… I just want to know how to be there for you.
Glennon Doyle:
Yeah.
Abby Wambach:
Because I think it’s important, when you do start asking questions about the event we’re going to-
Amanda Doyle:
Maybe you could hold both of her hands?
Abby Wambach:
Can I say, “Well, the worst has already happened and we survived.” I just want to know what’s a good way of supporting you.
Glennon Doyle:
The thing that works for me always with this sort of thing is to remember… My therapist kept saying, “Don’t forget to be soul-led at this thing.” And I know here we get into the woo woo, but I’ve noticed magic in social events. When I get out of my head, it’s almost… Okay. When I’m in a social scenario, I have to be in a meditative state. That is the only way that I can explain it. I have to be so far out of my head that I am fully present with the other person. And I’m not checking back in with my mind about what I think about that person, about whether I’m talking to this person for too long, about whether I have lipstick on my teeth. Nope. It’s like meditating for me. When I’m talking to someone or in social situation, every time my mind dares to think a thought, I have to willfully… like it’s afraid or pulling back.
Abby Wambach:
“Come back to the conversation.”
Glennon Doyle:
To the moment, to the present. And I will tell you that when I can do that, just as it’s a meditative state, when I can do that, it is so beautiful and I can feel it and it becomes like church.
Abby Wambach:
Cool.
Glennon Doyle:
Like I’m looking at somebody and I’m just with them and my ego is gone and my spirit is there and I can see their beauty and I can feel the difference in me. It’s magic as opposed to its misery. I’m thinking about that person instead of me. I can feel this magic ignite between the two people. But meditation for me is about that moment. It’s about practicing alone so that when I am with other human beings, what could turn into anxiety and make me miss the moment completely, I’m practiced enough to bring back to meditation so that I’m in the moment completely.
Abby Wambach:
That’s good. So, you didn’t answer my question about whether or not-
Glennon Doyle:
What can you do?
Abby Wambach:
Whether or not I can say or bring up ever again, well, before we go to an event, “Well the worst has already happened because…”
Glennon Doyle:
Yeah, I think so because I think that is a beautiful thing. It’s the idea of waiting for the other shoe to drop is way worse than just having the shoe go ahead and already drop.
Abby Wambach:
Okay, good.
Glennon Doyle:
When the worst ego thing happens, that’s awesome because then you’re like, “Well, the worst ego thing can happen, I could still make it through being soul-led.”
Abby Wambach:
Cool.
Amanda Doyle:
I know for diagnosing anxiety, there’s generalized anxiety or if you score high enough on these individual tests, then you have the specific diagnosis of, for example, apropos of nothing, social anxiety. Have you taken those tests to know or have you been specifically diagnosed with social anxiety?
Glennon Doyle:
No.
Amanda Doyle:
Because I think what you’re describing, it’s a quite extreme version of what a lot of people experience.
Glennon Doyle:
Yeah. I think that’s my job on earth is to be an extreme version of what everyone else experiences on earth. I mean, you’re laughing, but I totally believe that that’s my job. I am an extreme version of all the things and then everyone can be like, “Oh, that’s a little bit me, but not that bad. But a little.”
Abby Wambach:
You’re good at being able… people to point at, “What’s wrong with me? But not that bad.”
Glennon Doyle:
Yeah.
Amanda Doyle:
So, you’re like a caricature.
Glennon Doyle:
Yeah, a caricature. It’s like extreme sports, but extreme humaning, and then you can find yourself somewhere on the spectrum of normal to Glennon.
Abby Wambach:
Oh, that’s good.
Amanda Doyle:
What are you on a scale of normal to Glennon?
Glennon Doyle:
Also, since we’re… I just don’t think it’s going to be helpful for me to have more diagnoses.
Amanda Doyle:
Right.
Glennon Doyle:
I just really don’t. How many words are you going to throw at me? Everyone’s doing their best to help me.
Abby Wambach:
And that’s you, right? That’s you in particular. Some people need it.
Glennon Doyle:
And PS, just all this joking aside, I like how I am.
Abby Wambach:
Oh, cool.
Glennon Doyle:
I do. I really do like how you I am.
Abby Wambach:
I like how you are too.
Glennon Doyle:
I would not change it.
Abby Wambach:
I do like how you are.
Glennon Doyle:
I think that the extremity of some of my experiences gives me insight that other people don’t have and I wouldn’t change it.
Abby Wambach:
I don’t have the experience like I did as an athlete very much. But when I go to a party with you, I do feel like a superhuman.
Glennon Doyle:
Why?
Abby Wambach:
Because I can see how hard it is for you and it’s not as hard for me. And so it makes me feel like, “I got this.” There’s so much about our life that you got that when we go to social situations like this, I’m like, “This is what I bring to the table.”
Glennon Doyle:
Yeah, when I was on the ground I didn’t feel so gotten by you-
Abby Wambach:
That’s right.
Glennon Doyle:
I didn’t feel so much that anyone gotted it.
Abby Wambach:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amanda Doyle:
You felt ungotted.
Glennon Doyle:
I felt ungotted.
Abby Wambach:
Uncaught.
Glennon Doyle:
Can we hear from Kira, please? Just to close this very important life changing Easy Fridays, and I think we accidentally did get a little deep. So, sorry we can’t help ourselves.
Abby Wambach:
No, it’s funny.
Glennon Doyle:
Let’s hear from Kira.
Kira:
Hi, my name is Kira. Glennon, Abby, and Amanda, you have been helping me for years. I love you so much. This is less of a question and more to let you know about a time I did a hard thing. The other day, I was at a phone company, who will not be named, and they didn’t trust what I came in to tell them about. So, I was there for hours until they decided to let me know that it actually was a problem. And so I stood there and I turned the other cheek and I went to every device in that phone company that will not be named store and downloaded and subscribed to the podcast We Can Do Hard Things, so as to leave a gift for everybody who comes across any of those phones to look at them. I just wanted to tell you about a time that I turned the other cheek and did a hard thing. I love you guys so much. Bye.
Abby Wambach:
Oh my God, that’s so sweet.
Glennon Doyle:
I think there couldn’t be a better way to go into our weekend, y’all. Let’s just take whatever shit comes and just spin it into gold.
Abby Wambach:
Kira, that’s so good.
Glennon Doyle:
When you fall on your ass, the phone company treats you like shit. I just was thinking about my friend Rachel Held Evans, and she used to print out all the nasty mean tweets that people tweeted at her, because they would break her heart, and then she would turn them into origami. It’s beautiful, little swans, and leave them… It’s a super power to take those moments where you feel like, “Ugh. Two options, I could make this way worse for everybody or I could find a way to spin it into gold.” So, maybe we try to do that this weekend.
Abby Wambach:
I don’t have that kind of presence. I would’ve raged, and I cannot stand cell phone company stores.
Glennon Doyle:
Yeah. Thanks Kira, for doing hard things. All of you.
Amanda Doyle:
And thanks for the subscribes and follows. Really appreciate that.
Glennon Doyle:
Yeah, yeah, yes. The rest of you, subscribe and follow, please. Kira’s out here-
Amanda Doyle:
It’s actually really, really helpful.
Glennon Doyle:
It is really important.
Amanda Doyle:
It’s really, really helpful.
Abby Wambach:
It is. I’m sure everybody’s listening already has done it, but if you haven’t, go to little plus sign. Follow. Subscribe.
Glennon Doyle:
Is that how they do it? Actually, can you tell them how to do it? Because I don’t know how to do it.
Abby Wambach:
Yeah. If you open up your podcast app on your phone, and I know every phone is a little different, go to the search or browse button, search and you can just type in, We Can Do Hard Things. Pops up the little purple, beautiful face of our dear Glennon. You just click on it. Okay. And then up in the top right hand corner, you got to make sure it’s checked. If it’s checked, you are following. So, thank you. If it’s not checked, you need to check it. So, it’s probably a plus button.
Glennon Doyle:
It’s plus or follow. On some people it’s a plus and some people it’s a follow.
Abby Wambach:
Cool.
Glennon Doyle:
Thank you all. It actually does make a big difference for us for lots of different reasons. So, thanks for doing that. After you do that hard thing, you don’t have to do any more hard things because it’s the weekend. Just try easier this weekend. Take it easy on you. We are so grateful to you. For real. We talk about it every damn day. We can’t believe we get to do life with you, and we will catch you next time.
Abby Wambach:
Have an easy weekend.
Glennon Doyle:
Bye.
Amanda Doyle:
Bye.
Glennon Doyle:
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