Jun 242013
 

 This is heavy on my mind this week, so I thought I’d throw all my energy and love in the Supreme Court’s direction….

If you haven’t read the  original Mountain post, please start here.

I’m not a smart man. But I know what Love Is. – Forrest Gump

Several years ago at church, Craig and I sat through a sermon condemning homosexuality. As I listened to the sermon, which was based upon two lines of scripture in the New Testament, every fiber in my body rejected the message. My palms sweated, my heart pounded, and I started to feel queasy. I left the church building that day on fire and didn’t get a good night’s sleep for a month.

Instead of sleeping, I spent my nights scouring scripture, researching the positions of different denominations, and praying and praying and praying some more. I wrote this to several ministers: “I am a Christian and a seeker and I’m trying desperately to reconcile God’s commandment to love my neighbor without judgment and the church’s stance on homosexuality. Would you discuss this with me?” Not one minister wrote back. Every morning when the sun finally came up, I’d call Sister at work. She’d answer her phone with: “We’re gonna talk about the gays again, aren’t we, Sister?” Yes, Sister. Yes, we are. Clear your schedule.

Figuring out my stance on homosexuality felt like a life and death decision. When I described the intensity of my concern to other Christians, most would say, “but, why? You don’t even have a gay family member.” This response was very confusing to me. Isn’t the whole point of Christianity that we are all family? That we should love our neighbors as ourselves? That if any of us is hungry, we are all hungry? That if any of us is oppressed, we are all oppressed? According to the Jesus I read about in the Gospels, these people who were being persecuted for their sexuality WERE my family. The children who were killing themselves because the world (and the church in particular) would not accept them WERE my children. And I thought that being a Christian required me to love them, to ache for them, to fight for them with the same urgency I would have if I were fighting for myself. The fact that I had never met them before was completely inconsequential, according to Jesus.

I have these new friends named Laura and Jaime…they’re gay and married. They love each other very much. I recently looked through their photos and noticed that their wedding looked a lot like mine. Actually, their lives look a lot like mine, except that their son, Simon, is very sick with a heart condition. So I’m not sure they really give a rat’s ass right now if Christians “accept” them or call their love for each other “sinful” or not because they are quite busy caring for each other and Simon and running between hospitals and home and having a brutiful life together. But I’m glad they slowed down enough to know me, because my life is better with them in it. I love them, and I love Simon.

The following exerpt is based on one of my favorite passages from Huckleberry Finn, and I think it sums up the decision I’ve made about Laura and Jaime’s family.

“Whenever I think of the word “empathy,” I think of a small boy named Huckleberry Finn contemplating his friend and runaway slave, Jim. Huck asks himself whether he should give Jim up or not. Huck was told in Sunday school that people who let slaves go free go to everlasting fire.” But then, Huck says he imagines he and Jim in “the day and nighttime, sometimes moonlight, sometimes storms, and we a-floating along, talking and singing and laughing.” Huck remembers Jim and their friendship and warmth. He imagines Jim not as a slave but as a human being and he decided that, “alright, then, I’ll go to hell.” - This I Believe, 172

When I say things like this my Christian friends get very alarmed. They say to me: Aren’t you afraid of saying and writing these things? Aren’t you afraid of God?

Well, yes. But when I consider discussing all of these things over with Jesus one day, when I imagine telling Him what I thought I heard Him saying to me, when I explain how my heart understood His message, I realize that I’d be much more afraid to stand in front of Him if I didn’t write these things. I know my Jesus, I love Him, and I think if he needed me to believe that homosexuality was a sin, He would have mentioned it. He didn’t. When Jesus said that marriage was between a man and a woman, he was responding to a question about divorce, not sexuality.* And even the Gospels… well, even though they are gospel to me, I accept that they are also interpretations of what Jesus said and did and meant -we don’t have a single written word directly from Jesus. He could have left us something - he could have left another list of rights and wrongs when He came to Earth, but he chose not to. The only words he ever wrote were in the sand. . . words that He knew would disappear almost immediately. Why? I don’t know. Maybe He wanted us to know him well enough to make our decisions about Him based on our relationship with Him. Maybe He wanted us to wrestle with Him, to work out our own faith with fear and trembling. That’s what I think, anyway. I think I’m starting to recognize His still, small voice. And I’m betting everything on my belief in our relationship, on my understanding of His character and love. Aren’t we all? And if I’m wrong, and I very well could be . . . I don’t really think He’ll send me to hell for it. I think He knows I’m doing the best I can down here. I know He knows that. I believe.

And while we’re at it . . . that still, small voice suggests to me often that He’d appreciate if Christians picked up a couple more issues other than homosexuality and abortion to address. You know, maybe a couple He actually mentioned…like care for the poor and sick and lonely and hungry and imprisoned and widowed and orphaned and recently immigrated. Maybe we should all be required to pick an issue that requires US to change  and not OTHERS to change. I think that’d be good.

I just think that if we are going to call ourselves pro-life, we must also agree that starvation and poverty and disease and immigration and health care for all and war and peace and the environment are also pro-life issues. And maybe in the meantime we could have a new pro-life bumper sticker made that says: “We are all Confused Hypocrites. But God Loves Us anyway, which is Good News. So out of Gratitude, We are Trying to Remember That We Belong To Each Other.” I’d buy that one.

My point is that this gay ship has sailed, I think. We’re gonna have to sponsor another revolution because for the gays, the times, they are a’ changing already. Gay people wrote to me by the hundreds to tell me that they read the post again and again, pretending that the letter was from their own parents. Therapists requested my permission to use the letter with their gay and straight clients to teach them about unconditional love. Churches from all over the country asked to use the post in their weekly bulletins. A student at UC Berkley told me that her professor of religious studies distributed the letter to all of his students. I felt very humble about this, which is why I only wear my homemade “THE RELIGIOUS STUDIES PROFESSOR AT UC BERKLEY DISTRIBUTED MY POST TO ALL HIS STUDENTS” T-shirt to bed. And sometimes to the grocery store, when I’m having an insecure day.

But I also received challenging responses to my post. None were mean-spirited, none were offensive. People are better than we give them credit for.

Many people said that they agree that people are born gay, but that it is still a sin to act on it. These people suggested that homosexuals should remain celibate.

But my understanding is that celibacy is a sacred calling, not a hiding place or a consequence. Celibacy is like…it’s like we all have the same capacity to love inside of us, the same amount of light to shine……and most of use that light, that love, like a laser…it’s all concentrated and focused on one partner. But the celibate hears a call to use his light, his love, more like a flood light. He knows that if he’s not required to shine a laser on one person, that his light can be dispersed to many more….maybe not burning a hole into another heart, but lighting up entire rooms. He can reach more people with his love through celibacy because it’s not all focused on one person. Ghandi felt called to be a flood light instead of a laser…and heeded the call to celibacy while he was married. His wife accepted this as the way he was being called to serve his God and his people. And so celibacy…it’s a sacred calling to love. And I fear that when we suggest that homosexuals save themselves by choosing celibacy, that we insult both the gays and the celibates. Celibacy is not a Plan B.

Other Monkees have explained that they believe that homosexuality is a sin, but no more of a sin than pride and anger and selfishness. And since we are all sinners too, we shouldn’t judge the gays. Hate the sin, love the sinner type thing. I don’t know. I guess I have just always accepted the fact that we are put on this Earth to love. To Love God and love our neighbors. And those sins, pride, anger, and selfishness…those sins get in the way of loving God and loving our neighbors. So we should fight them tooth and nail. We should fight them to the death. But homosexuality…I can’t see how a woman sharing her God given light with another woman interferes with her Loving Her God and Loving Her Neighbor.

Unless we come back to: because it says so in the Bible. And we have faith that our understanding of the Bible is infallible. We believe that our human minds can grasp the meaning of all scripture perfectly and so we have faith that homosexuality is a sin.

But you know what the Bible also says? The Bible says “And these three remain. Hope, Faith, and Love. And the greatest of these is love.” ***

There will come a point when hope and faith cease to exist. When the next world is revealed, we will know . . . we won’t need hope or faith anymore. Those two are temporary. Hope and faith exist only to help us make it though this life.

But LOVE. Love is eternal. Love never ends. The love we offer and receive in this world we’ll carry with us into the next. The greatest of these is love. When in doubt, I choose love above any particular ideas offered to me about faith.

And that means that I love my gay friends, without agenda. And I love my friends who believe that homosexuality is a sin, without agenda. And I love my friends who are terrified for my soul when I write this way, without agenda.

Because listen – here’s the thing. After my wrestling match with God, I wasn’t really exhausted enough. I still came up swinging. For a little while, I felt angry. Angry at anyone who had a different understanding of scripture than I did. Angry at people who taught that God disapproved of homosexuality. Prideful about my position, really. And then one day God sat my butt down with the Bible again.

And he said something to me like, “Wait a minute, Lovie. Yes, I love those gays, but I love the ones picketing against them every bit as muchThat’s the point.”

And There’s the rub. There’s Christianity. It’s not deciding that one group shouldn’t be judged and then turning around and judging the other group. That is not being a peacemaker. Peacemakers resist categorizing people. They find the light, the good, in each and every person. They don’t try to change people, except by example. They know everyone has something important to teach. They are humble about their ideas and their opinions. They try to find common ground, always.

I now have friends who are gay and friends who preach against homosexuality. I have friends who are ministers and friends who are atheists. Listen, I even have a new friend who is a Dallas Cowboys fan. With God, all things are possible.

The point is – if you’re hungry – you are all welcome at my table. None of you is less welcome than the other. This place is a banquet table for gays and straights and prudes and hoochies and cheerleaders and tuba players and pharisees and alpha moms and slacker moms and tax collectors and fishermen and choir girls and heathens. It’s a banquet table where people who are different can come together and share a meal and maybe not change each other’s minds, but possibly soften each other’s hearts.

Oh, yes…we can do that. We already have.

You do not have to agree with me to love me.

So at this table, this Momastery table . . . we talk to each other in soft voices, and we smile and we say, “pass the wine, please,” and we ask about each other’s children. Sometimes we even pass around some pictures. We share our families with each other. And we also share some of those magical laughs when we can’t speak and the tears are rolling and we’re gasping for breath and our stomachs hurt like we just did a hundred crunches. Maybe we even pee a little. And maybe in the middle of all that, we start knowing each other as people instead of categories. And we accept that we are different, and we understand that each person’s choices are her own, and so we don’t have to be angry with each other. We are free to love each other.

She told me that once she forgot herself and her heart opened up like a door with a loose latch and everything fell out and she tried for days to put it all back in the proper order, but she finally gave up and left if there in a pile and loved everything equally.- Brian Andreas

 

Love,
G

 

*Mark 10,  **John 8,  ***1 Corinthians 13



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  572 Responses to “I love Gay People and I love Christians. I Choose All.”

  1. Glennon,

    I want to write a letter to you but I will summarize. I’m tearing up and resonate with every. one. of. these. words. THANK you. I have to admit I entered this post thinking, “okay, she’s going to say that she loves gay people because it’s the Christian thing to do but what they’re doing is still wrong.” I am so thankful you’ve written so much more than this.

    I love how you brought in Christians needing to focus on other topics that have to do with changing our own hearts, turning them toward love, and really answering to the Christ of the Gospels – the Jesus who loves all. And to wrap it all into a bow of not turning around and judging “the other” group that we often get caught up in proving wrong in defense of “the right” group.

    So beautiful! I am sharing this with everyone on the planet :)

  2. Beautiful. Really insightful, meaningful. I struggle with my faith a lot in times like these, I believe in the equality of everyone. Nobody is better or worse for being who they are and every single person is one of God’s children, gay or straight. As a Christian, my job is to spread the love that Jesus preached to us, to spread the love of the Lord so everyone will want to know Him. Times like this when Christians are so full of hate and bigotry and ill will and cruel thoughts make me question if the path of Christianity is right for me. Ironically the best quote about the Christian community I think comes from Gandhi, “I like your Christ, he is so unlike your Christians.” When I start to feel at odds with my faith, I remember that quote. I want more people to know Christ enough to love Him, whether they convert or not is up to them so long as they know Him. In order to get people to want to know Jesus and who want a relationship with God, we must be like Christ and not be like Christians.

    This article was beautiful, this really helped me out today. I’m going to struggle every day of my life with Jesus, but when someone writes something like this it helps me reconcile my love for people and my love for God.

  3. Your style is so unique in comparison to other people I have read stuff from.
    I appreciate you for posting when you have the
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  4. You just changed my life, G. Thank you. Thank you for making me realize something that I would have never seen had it not been mere chance that I clicked on the link that brought me to this page. I commend you in every for what you do. So thank you. And I only hope that one day I will randomly pass you in the market wearing that t-shirt about the professor at Burkley on a bad day just so I can shake your hand and tell you what a wonderful person you are.

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  6. God is love. He loves me & he love you. He paved our way to himself through Christ. I believe that.
    I believe Jesus is my Savior. I am the man on the Cross next to him at calvery, asking Jesus to remeber me…the sinner. I am gay, I have known it since I was 5 yrs old. I am 54 now. I have been in a monogamous loving relationship for 18 years. I love Matt. I love Jesus Christ, because he first loved me. I am the sinner counting on Christ to do what he came to do/

    I am so tired of all of the Far Right Wingers need to hate gays, I am so tired of the far right wingers who make gays look so horible!

  7. Okay, so I’m like a million years late to the party and I didn’t take the time to read the other 500+ comments because, well, it’s almost 11 on a Tuesday evening and I have small children who actually enjoy the sunrise regardless of what time I go to bed, bless them. Our church did a series recently talking about knowing Jesus better. Here is the thing that spoke to me so powerfully about the message: Guess who Jesus spent time with while he was here on Earth? I’ll give you a hint: it wasn’t the religious “experts” whose hands were clean. It was people who were messy. It was people whose lives were messy. People whose choices were messy. Over and over we see it: Jesus reached out to those that traditional “religio-philes” outwardly rejected. His top two orders? Love God, love others. That’s what it’s about. I’m not saying that it’s okay to be gay. I’m saying it simply doesn’t matter because sin is ALWAYS between the individual and God. I’m saying Jesus was all like, “let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.” He was all, “Hey Zacchaeus, I know you’re a super big swindler who has done pretty icky things, but I’m coming home to dine with you tonight.” That’s MY Jesus. I know I sound bible-lite, but let’s keep it in perspective. The command wasn’t love everyone whose sin you cannot see. It was love your neighbor as yourself. THIS is our model, whom we are supposed to emulate.

  8. It is a sad fact when people who claim they are Christian or whatever they are now can say things just to have their ears scratched (2 timothy 4:3) and believe its godly. When i started reading this blog, i was searching about love and started reading and was stopped as i read that you add to the Word of God things that aren’t there…”According to the Jesus I read about in the Gospels, these people who were being persecuted for their sexuality WERE my family”…Where did Jesus say this? Matthew 5:10 – “Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven”.

    It’s one of those situation where believers (not just mental believers but doers of the Word, otherwise just deceiving yourselves (James 1:22), will read or hear things such as this and start to question and evaluate themselves (which is a good thing 2 Corinthians 13:5)

    You know at the end of the day, God is love but He is also just…i don’t make the rules and i certainly screw up but that’s where the Blood of Jesus, my God and LORD, comes in and i receive the gift of salvation but this does not mean i go about sinning all the more (Romans 6:1-2) cuz i ‘feel’ that for me things should be different. God does not change, He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow (Malachi 3:6 / Numbers 23:19)

    i pray you open yourself up to the Word of God for what it says and not change it because of how you feel, i know its difficult but these are the ‘times’ we are living where evil is being called good and good is being called evil. Even my LORD said there would be persecution because i believe Jesus and His Word.

    • Praise God! Beautifully said, Johannes. I also like what Melissa said directly above you.

      We can’t edit the Bible to accomodate the changes in the world. We are to be IN the world, not OF the world.

  9. i have been a follower for a short while now and absolutely love you G. several times i have wondered what kind of Christian friends you have. i am a Christian. i love Jesus with all my heart and soul. i know scripture, i know the gospel. i don’t agree with the homosexual lifestyle. but i would NEVER judge or say that gay people are all going to hell. i would defend them just as i would any straight person.

    i don’t think all Christians just pick the issues of homosexuality and abortion to address. every Christian i know does much of: care for the poor and sick and lonely and hungry and imprisoned and widowed and orphaned and recently immigrated

    it makes me sad that some of your posts bulks all Christians into this judgmental, hateful persona. not all Christians feel or believe this. i wish you had a different experience with Christians and church. in my experience it’s been that these type of people call themselves Christians but have much learning about Jesus and the Word. i have had a fair share of these encounters BUT the same amount of encounters with Christians who spread LOVE to ALL. sounds like you are hanging out with the wrong christian crowd ;)

  10. Great info, I really enjoyed it.

  11. A Christian friend asked me what i thought about your article and I do feel your motivation is love but its misguided love– it’s not truth and love.

    an excerpt of what i wrote to her:

    Again—at some point let’s talk through some of this and let these emails just be the beginning point of a conversation. But this article you sent makes mistake after mistake after mistake relationally and theologically. What I agree with is her anger over anything said without love. What is interesting however is how she uses purely “human” feelings and not God’s Word to justify her own theological position. This paragraph is a good example:

    “I have these new friends named Laura and Jaime…they’re gay and married. They love each other very much. I recently looked through their photos and noticed that their wedding looked a lot like mine. Actually, their lives look a lot like mine, except that their son, Simon, is very sick with a heart condition. So I’m not sure they really give a rat’s ass right now if Christians “accept” them or call their love for each other “sinful” or not because they are quite busy caring for each other and Simon and running between hospitals and home and having a brutiful life together. But I’m glad they slowed down enough to know me, because my life is better with them in it. I love them, and I love Simon.”

    There’s a litany of false beliefs and assumptions in just that one paragraph alone:

    1. “they love each other very much” — her assumption is that because they love each other very much then that justifies acting against God’s word—in the exact same way I have had so many people I have counseled who are in adulterous relationships—a guy for example, who is leaving his wife and children and his justification is the same “I love my girlfriend very much.” (no I’m not saying that type of adultery is the same as homosexuality—its just an example of the justification)

    2. “their wedding looked a lot like mine” — OF COURSE!!!! People who are struggling with same sex lust AREN”T monsters…. They are JUST like you and me who ALL sin and fall short of God’s glory. There is no us and them. This woman who wrote this doesn’t even realize how super duper false her arguments are.

    3. “I’m not sure they really give a rat’s ass right now if Christians “accept” them or call their love for each other “sinful” or not because they are quite busy caring for each other and Simon” — again…all arguments based on a FALSE ASSUMPTION that if you are a Christian and you submit to God’s revelation about human sexual intimacy that you feel you’re superior and those gays are monsters who are incapable of love. Obviously that’s not true: A real Christian is a person who knows

    a. they are forgiven ONLY by grace

    b. that their own sin is equally sinful as others—whatever the temptation (even sexual hetero lust or homo lust)

    c. I submit to the Word of God not my own feelings on matters (including God’s revelation about why He created sexual intimacy and what it’s for)

    d. I love people no matter what they believe in the end or what they do—and in fact I have special mercy and sympathy for people who do face these temptations because their story is often filled with rejection or trauma or suffering. (may Christ have mercy on us all).

    4. “But I’m glad they slowed down enough to know me, because my life is better with them in it. I love them, and I love Simon.” YES…one assumption she makes that is finally true. Yes, these people are loving people who are not monsters…they are loving people who are presently blinded to part of God’s hope for them—a hope that will be fully known in eternity FOREVER even though for now it will mean struggle.

    • Thank you for speaking the truth.

    • you are a terrible person

    • Thank you for standing on the truth, Dave. Seems there are a lot of “Christians” these days who like to wear the label, but not the Cross as we’re instructed.

    • I’m not sure you’re interpreting the message in a reasonable manner. It’s not feasible to use your religious beliefs to interpret a subject which demands your personal opinions. Granted, you may say that your opinion is influenced by your learning’s from the Bible. However, you have to take yourself out of your own beliefs and consider the perspective of others when you make a detailed critique of an argument, otherwise it’s a weak argument. (and you end up sounding like a single-party contender, which, consequently, will cause your response to only be considered by people who hold similar views, rather than the majority.) It’s a simple rule of critical analysis: Consider every possible perspective, consider their questions and their answers, and the possibility that those answers have legitimacy, beyond what you may think.
      I’m not denouncing your response, only stating that it is, in a logical and academic sense, flawed based upon your inability to consider the utterly simple.

      On a personal note, I think it is behaviorally contradictory when Christians say they all unconditionally love and care for the people around them, yet operate on an agenda of labeling people as individuals that “deserve my mercy”. That is not love. Your are expressing an air of superiority when you state that. Furthermore, I doubt altruism is a true trait in very many people, let alone Christians, which leaves me to believe that you are only saying this to fulfill a need to appease god through substituting (or confusing) inauthentic mercy with love.

      Good luck!

  12. [...] the midst of all of the Gay Rights excitement, a friend recommended this article to me; I Love Gay People and I Love Christians. I Choose All.  While I am an atheist now, I spent nearly 28 years of my life immersed in the doctrine and beliefs [...]

  13. G – I read the below article today, just before seeing your FB post about loved ones’ love ones being lost to addiction, and it seemed fitting to pass this one b/c it’s connected to this blog entry, which I love, and that FB post as well (read it when you can read all the way through…I disagreed with it initially but it surprised me throughout). Heartbreaking, but so important…and an affirmation of EVERYONE’S ability to “choose all”.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-robertson/just-because-he-breathes-learning-to-truly-love-our-gay-son_b_3478971.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

  14. [...] over at Momastery wrote I love Gay people and I love Christians. I Choose All. my friend Faith posted the blog to her facebook feed. I clicked, began reading and I was instantly [...]

  15. It’s so sad when people preach hatred in the guise of Christianity. I can’t tell you how many people I’ve met who have been scared away from Christianity because of judgmental, condemning people. I don’t recall any point in the Bible where Jesus condemned anyone to hell. Rant over.

    Check out the Episcopal Church. Everyone is welcome. (something tells me Jesus would want all people to feel welcome, loved, and safe in church. Just a hunch. ;)

  16. Wow! That was beautifully written!!! What inspired, wonderful words!

  17. This is fabulous and speaks to myself and many!

  18. The Momastery Table is a little picture of heaven. I look forward to being there some day.

  19. Finally someone I can agree with!!!!! AMEN

  20. [...] I love gay people and I love Christians, I choose all.  [...]

  21. You are full of such love and compassion. It is wonderful. I completely and wholeheartedly disagree with your view that the Bible is something you can pick and choose what you believe. The Bible is the inspired Word of God and the truth doesn’t not me to endorse it. The Bible clearly teaches homosexuality is a sin. It is no different than any sin in my life. My sin is no better. Their’s is no worse. We are all sinners who need a savior. That savior is Jesus and only Jesus. I will continue to do my best to show the love of God to homosexuals and heterosexuals alike. God bless you.

  22. I would totally buy that bumper sticker. And I’m pretty firmly agnostic.

    I love your heart.

  23. I think your beautiful words and writing have voiced (quite intelligently) how many people feel, including myself. Thank you, Mrs. Glennon!

  24. This was absolutely beautiful. I loved every word of it! This is the first blog I have read, my teacher recommended that we read it, and I couldn’t be happier she did (: I will continue to read these for sure!

  25. Beautiful post. Thank you.

  26. You are so right, G. As a Christian who believes that God loves all equally and equally all, I think the hardest “category” of people I need to work on loving are my fellow Christians whose actions I see as pushing people away from Jesus. I have a super hard time with that. But…you are right. I need to love them just the same. Thank you for the reminder.

  27. g – I found your blog thanks to my dear, dear friend sharing this post. i am not a mother, but have gone through your posts like a madwoman. you make me want to be a better person. thank you for YOU. xo

  28. You say that the Gay ship “has sailed”– in my opinion, you “Missed” the boat altogether!! Being in the entertainment industry for many years, I have associated with and been friends w/many espousing the Gay lifestyle. I do not judge or “hate” Gays!! But I resent the soon exiting Mayor of LA saying as he holds a Gay marriage, “This is a great day for all Americans!!”. Not for me– I am very saddened by all of this!! I totally object to the fact that anyone has been “born gay”– this theory, is direct opposition to God’s Word– this assumption is, as I see it, an excuse for their lifestyle. I find heterosexual PDA unsettling, but to ask us who oppose this Gay Agenda to accept and be happy for those flaunting their lifestyle is offensive to not only myself, but others who believe and feel as I do re: the aforementioned. The fact that you are”basking” in the numerous accolades from this article is not the least bit surprising to me as you are embracing the growing trend “we BETTER be Gay wise and supportive”!! Go ahead take your bow to your adoring audience–we shall see when “every knee shall bow and tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord”, just how HE feels about this Gay Pride agenda.

  29. I see truth coming through in some cases and very little in others, and of course isn’t that what the enemy does, tell half truths. Instead of quoting more new Testament scripture, which is the ultimate authority that Jesus left us with and when you believe in the total inerrancy of the Bible, ie God breathed this, therefore he is the authority we go by, because we now live under Grace and not the Law . One of your respondents Rachel, got it right to the point, with her ILLISTRATION. Yet some others also said ‘narrow is the path that leads to Righteousness’. This sums it all up at the end of the day, whether we obey God, Man or our own Lusts.

    Rachel S. says:

    June 27, 2013 at 5:39 pm
    .
    I do not believe that adult same sex relationships are only made up of passion, and desire. I’m certain that is not the case. What I am saying is that passion and sexual desire are not the definition of love. The Bible encourages love between all, but not sex between all. I think it is wonderful for two women or two men to share their lives together platonically. Ruth left her country and her people to devote herself to Naomi. She said Naomi’s people would be her people and Naomi’s God, her God. She clearly showed self sacrifice, life-long commitment and love for another women. That is the type of love the Bible speaks of when it says love never fails; love always hopes; always perseveres.

    My point is that love is always right but adding sex isn’t always right. To illustrate my point, no-one has a problem with a brother loving his sister but almost everyone disapproves of the two having sex. On what grounds though, assuming they’d taken precautions to not produce children? The Bible condemns incest in the same way it condemns sex between two women or two men. But if that teaching is disregarded, then on what grounds would you or another object to an adult daughter and her father marrying or to two brothers marrying? When we toss out the Bible because it’s teachings aren’t what the “majority knows to be true” we are left with a subjective morality that says anything is right if it feels right to me at the time.

    So if you object to a father and a consenting adult daughter marrying and having sex, I again ask on what grounds? Because it is non-traditional? Because we don’t do things that way in our country? Every reason beyond “because I believe in the Word of God and it condemns the act” will prove to be subjective and every changing with the winds of public opinion.

    • Excellent!!!

    • Wow! Thank you for this!!!! :)

    • I am sorry but this is a ridiculous example to prove a point and it actually is the same insulting argument to compare same sex couples with incest, pedophilia and the like. Do you know why I object to incest as the example above? Because genetics already determined that relationship. Genetics decided that the relationship these two would have is father and daughter.

      In addition, because of the sacred (and different bond) that a father and daughter have, that is why it is frowned upon for a father and daughter (of any age) to marry. We see the role of a father as very different as the role of a husband and those roles are not to overlap. Two consenting adults that do not have that history of child rearing, protection, and genetic makeup are NOT the same.

      • Abe -
        I’m sorry but I don’t understand your post. Isn’t genetics one of the backbones of the gay talking points? (“born” vs “choice”)

        I think your post may end up making a different point than you intended. Those against gay marriage see the marriage bond as “sacred” between a man and a woman – similar to how you positioned the “father / daughter” bond.

        Like Glennon, I love gay people. But I don’t think legally the supreme court can take the position that marriage is between two consenting adults EXCEPT for X, Y, and Z. In other words, I don’t think they can preclude father / daughter marriage with the stance that it’s sacred. As Glennon said, I think that ship has already sailed. “Sacred” is in the mind of the beholder, not the mind of the courts.

        PS – I’m not for father / daughter marriage. I just don’t think your argument is logical.

  30. http://churchatthegate.com/

    The pastor at the church I attend spoke on this hot topic today. I’m very proud of his bravery. It may not be on the site yet but should be very soon if you’re interested in listening.

  31. I think this is one of the best and most helpful pieces I’ve read regarding faith and hard issues like homosexuality. It’s something I’m continuing to wrestle with and I’m encouraged in taking my time and really listening to what Jesus is saying to me through His Word and His Spirit. Thank you so much for this.

  32. I haven’t read all 500+ comments, but I’m guessing that “Maria” is a pretty good representation of the haters. Because you just read this whole essay and you STILL DIDN”T GET that Love thy Neighbor as Thyself (with NO codecils that say, Except if….look different, think different) is the second great law. You don’t have a choice. If you are going to call yourself a Christian, you have to accept and LOVE your fellow humans as they are, not how you think they should be. Doesn’t mean you have to like them, but you do have to love them.
    And yep we do, all of us, cherry pick the parts of the bible we chose to live by, since I haven’t seen anyone suggesting we dragging out Sarah Palin’s daughter and stone her to death in a public place as required by biblical law, because we do not live in an agrarian, patriarchal, pre-literate, slave owning, tribal society that made up all those rules in Deuteronomy.
    That’s why (see above) Jesus compressed all of those nit-picky rules in the OT into “these are the two great commandment” because even in his time, people were not living strictly by the OT laws – and he was also pointing out the hypocrisy of those who proclaimed how holy they were by following the laws while treating the poor and downtrodden badly.
    So, regardless of color of skin, sexual orientation, religious choice, sinner or not, you still gotta love ‘em.
    And love means you don’t condemn. Because once you go down that path, you ARE the wailing and gnashing in the outer darkness.

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  34. I love this. Good job.

  35. I absolutely love your words and feel blessed that I am not the only one struggling with these issues. I was talking to my Catholic pastor and felt frustrated on the church’s position in regards to homosexuality. I felt like the church was holding fast to the word’s written 2000 years ago and questioned why God simply stopped inspiring devine prose all together. Then I thought of all the social changes we have made in the past 2000 years. We no longer treat people as less than human because of the color of their skin. We treat women as equal partners instead of simply submissive property. We now are starting to tackle the issue of sexual orientation. I look at all the changes and I ask have we changed this world for the better. I think God has been divinely inspiring his people in the last 2000 years, but no one has taken the time to add these new chapters to the Bible.

  36. The book that Christianity uses as it’s holy rulebook is The Bible. All of it. So if someone claims to be a Christian, (Jessica) they can’t reject some parts of it just because it doesn’t allow them to live the lifestyle they choose with no guilt.

    Is the entire Bible inspired by God or isn’t it? Someone who says they belong to a Christian religion cannot reject ANY of the Bible, even those verses above that condemn homosexuality, or they are NOT a Christian – since Christians supposedly believe that the ENTIRE Bible is inspired, i.e. “written” by God, through men.

    • You don’t reject ANY of the Bible? Then I certainly hope you don’t cut your hair, eat shellfish or pork, condone divorce or tattoos or braids or gold jewelry. And I assume you believe a raped woman should marry her rapist. . .

      These are among the many Biblical Rules most Christians don’t follow.

      Oh, and there’s “Don’t judge lest ye be judged.”

    • Agreed, Darcie. There are so many things we don’t do nowadays. Don’t wear those cotton and spandex mix stretchy jeans! It’s against the Judeo-Christian law! Women should be silent in church. No singing. No talking. Does your husband/boyfriend/son/father/any man sit where you have sat while you were menstruating? UNCLEAN!!!!!!!

      The Bible was inspired by God, but written by men. You say written “through” men. I do not. The only things that were written down exactly as God dictated were the ten commandments. How do we know exactly how the Earth was created? No one was there to see it happen, and I guarantee that Moses didn’t sit down and interview God. “So, what happened on the first day? Mmmm-hmmm. And how did it make you feel?”

      If I remember correctly, all but one of the times homosexuality is mentioned, it is part of a pagan ritual that they were doing. Also, “Hey! Stop having sex with that man. Here’s my daughter instead.” Really? Are you willing to give your daughter to a crowd so they’ll stop having same gender sex?

      I know of a book you might like. It’s called “The Year of Living Biblically” by A. J. Jacobs. It shows how different we would be if we followed every single “law” laid down in the Bible. It’s pretty amusing . . . and frightening, really.

      • Kathy,
        I don’t like to argue – especially not online with strangers – but I just wanted to respectfuly respond to your above post. Yes, the Bible was inspired by God and written by men but don’t you think God is big enough to get His message through despite using man? I believe that all scripture is God breathed and my faith is based upon scripture. I submit to God by submitting to his word because he tells us that his word is life. Yes Paul wrote about women and jewelry but we must read the Bible in context. I would encourage you to go back and study those verses in context with a study Bible If possiblr. The Bible does say all if the other things you wrote about like rules for food and whatever else but that was in the Old Testament before Jesus. As Christians we can’t pick a brand of Christianity that fits is best and then just say ” oh well we all pick and choose what we follow”. Sorry of there are spelling errors I am on my iPhone.

  37. The book that Christianity uses as it’s holy rulebook is The Bible. All of it. So if someone claims to be a Christian, (Jessica) they can’t reject some parts of it and say “oh, that was written before blah blah blah…..

    Is the entire Bible inspired by God or isn’t it? No matter when it was written. Someone who says they belong to a Christian religion cannot reject ANY of the Bible, even those verses above that condemn homosexuality, or they are NOT a Christian – since Christians supposedly believe that the ENTIRE Bible is inspired, i.e. “written” by God, through men.

    Sorry if it doesn’t coincide with some people’s sexual desires. No one said that being a Christian is easy – you have to overcome your wrong desires or at least not act on them, if they are clearly condemned in the book your religion deems “holy”. And they are.

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  39. Thank you Glennon. Thank you.

    After reading some of the comments below, I have come to one conclusion. Comments on a blog will never change another person’s opinions/views/religious beliefs/sexual orientation….etc, etc. So, while every bone in my body wants to defend and respond and fight back against certain comments, I’m not going to. I know what I believe to be right in my heart, mind and soul. Nothing I say here will convince anyone else to change their beliefs.

    Ever.

    I’d bet my life, no one has ever abandoned their religion, or lack thereof, because of a comment on a blog quoting scripture or lecturing. I’d bet my life, real life stories are the ones that change the world. As I endeavor to keep my words kind and thoughtful…just know what you’re doing is wonderful. You ARE changing the world.

    Love wins. Always will.

  40. WOW! I sit here writing this comment as the tears pour down my cheek. I pride myself in being able to write with such passion, but have found that anger seems to seep through and ruin my thoughts more often than I would like. Your words are my thoughts that I have been trying to express for so long now. Thank you so very much for them. I for one believe that God gave you the words that the rest of us, Christian, Gay or Straight, have been trying to get across. I’d like to say bless you but it is evident in your post that You have already been BLESSED!

  41. The more this post sits on my heart, the more it bothers me. I’ve seen many people re-quote what Glennon wrote below in celebration –

    “Maybe we should all be required to pick an issue that requires US to change and not OTHERS to change.”

    What real change can we make in this world when all we do is worry about US? Social change that’s worthwhile requires that we learn how to chip away at an change OTHERS hearts – slavery, gay rights, women’s rights – none of those things happened when people sat at home and worried about changing their own hearts. They happened when people picked up their baton and figured out how they could best fight the good fight for those who couldn’t fight for themselves.

    And if we really want to make a difference in this world – ending human trafficking, ending poverty – none of it really requires US to focus on just US – they require us to stand up and fight for what we believe in, drawing from God’s power and light to do our best to be the people He calls us to be.

    And this -
    “And while we’re at it . . . that still, small voice suggests to me often that He’d appreciate if Christians picked up a couple more issues other than homosexuality and abortion to address.”

    Is it possible – maybe just a little bit – that God has placed on people’s hearts the same burning desire to fight for the unborn as He placed on Glennon’s to fight for gay rights? And that maybe, just maybe, God would like people to wrestle with that decision “like it’s life or death” (as Glennon did over her view of homosexuality) – because actually it is?

    I agree with Glennon’s views on homosexuality. I celebrate with my brothers and sisters who feel validated today (although, honestly, you don’t need the government to validate you – you are valid exactly as you are – but I understand this is important to you so congrats). The rest of the post is laced with condemnation and disdain for those with a different viewpoint, cloaked in flowery platitudes. That’s sad.

    • I think her point was that condemning gays is all about changing other people. It really doesn’t require any introspection other than “my religion is right about your sexuality being wrong”.

      Issues like fighting poverty, ending discrimination, stopping war, protecting the environment – done well, all of these issues make us look at ourselves and how we treat other people and our planet. It doesn’t preclude taking actions to persuade others to our point of view, but it often starts with changing ourselves in a positive way.

      (At least, this is my interpretation of what Glennon was getting at.)

      I don’t buy the “God placed a burning desire to fight for the unborn” argument. Mostly because I’ve been involved in reproductive rights issues for years and years, and it’s really not about helping babies, it’s about controlling women’s bodies.

      If it were all about helping babies, anti-choice politicians would be pushing for pre-natal care for all women, contraception for all women to prevent unintended pregnancies and therefore reduce abortions, funding for social services for abused and neglected children, and funding for children’s health insurance.

      Pro-choice advocates do, but they don’t. In fact, they fight tooth and nail against these programs.(See recent Texas anti-abortion law in which all attempts to add these types of measures were voted down.)

      I’m sure on an individual basis, many people’s hearts ache for what they believe are babies whose lives have been ended too soon because of what they were taught by their religion. That doesn’t mean God wants them controlling other women’s bodies.

  42. Thank you Glennon! Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!! For your courage and insight and love. Thank you especially for reminding the world that there are Christians who love gay people. And for reminding me that God loves All–even those who don’t agree with me. (: I love your banquet table imagery. I am new to following Momastary, but look forward to many more opportunities to sit at your table.

  43. [...] I love gay people and I love Christians. I choose all. by Glennon Melton at Momastery [...]

  44. I agree that we need to love all our neighbors! Some of our neighbors, heterosexual, homosexual, or a combination, do desire sexual and relational healing, and that needs to be affirmed and available, too, doesn’t it?

  45. Mine is literally the 482nd comment on this string. I know with certainty I cannot add any new information to this string of comments. G, sorry for this. You’ve probably read these same thoughts in some iteration a zillion, er 481, other times. But, I have to say it. This articulates perfectly what I’ve been feeling about this issue for years. My heart is so happy to hear the news of the SC’s ruling. And although mine aren’t Christian beliefs, I also subscribe to the notion that we are all god’s Children (emphasis intended.) We have so much to learn from one another, whatever our beliefs are. But in the end, our government can’t base laws on one set of beliefs or the other. The End.

    Love. Love. Love. And a big Hug.

  46. YES. PLEASE YES, THANK YOU, and WOW (to quote Anne Lamott). Again with the bringing of the tears to the eyes. Thank you for speaking. You give me courage.

  47. You blow me away. Amazing.

  48. I think this is my favorite thing I’ve ever read. Ever.

    “There’s Christianity. It’s not deciding that one group shouldn’t be judged and then turning around and judging the other group.”

    Love it.

  49. [...] I Love Gay People And I Love Christians by Glennon. [...]

  50. Thank you for this post. I am a gay woman. I also believe in GOD. I am a member of a worship center (we don’t like the word church) where the minister is Gay. That is very refreshing. This place of worship is so open and loving to everyone who enters the building. No one is ever turned away because of who they are. Not all houses of worship can say that.

    People hide behind the Bible when they condemn Homosexuality. They think that because they are using the Bible as their foundation, they are correct and no one should question that. Well, they are not correct. The Bible is not a solid foundation for theim to base their arguments on. Th Bible itself doesn’t come out and say that homosexuality is a sin. It’s just been translated and interpreted that way. No one can see past the surface of the message to see it’s deeper meaning. That’s a big part of what is wrong with our country. Most things are religious based. That shouldn’t be how the world operates.

    I have as much right to love a woman as I do a man. I won’t ever deny who I am because someone else doesn’t agree with who I am. I won’t change for anyone and I won’t ask anyone to change for me. I don’t condemn any religion who preaches against homosexuality. They just aren’t open minded yet. Maybe that is what we are meant to do. To try to open their hearts and minds. So that they can have a stronger relationship with GOD. I am still working on my relationship with GOD. But I am grateful to be in a place where I can be free in his spirit and be who I am. No one will turn their back on me and tell me I’m wrong. The whole point of religion is to love everybody no matter what.

    • The Bible DOES come right out and say homosexuality is a sin. It says that those practicing these things WILL NOT INHERIT GOD’S KINGDOM. Whether you believe that kingdom to be in heaven, on earth, in your heart, wherever – it’s clear that God will not allow homosexual people to be there. Period. How is there another way to “interpret” that?

      Yes, you have every right to love whoever and whatever you please, man, woman, beast… and you said it yourself, you won’t change for anyone – even God.

      • Those comments were in response to pagan rituals where homosexual acts were practiced, not homosexual monogamy. The pagans having their weird rites were the ones to not inherit the kingdom. That’s how I interpret it.

      • If you had truly studied the Scriptures (whopping 12 pages of them) AND THEIR CONTEXT relating to this topic, instead of reciting what you have been force fed over the years, you would realize that the concept of homosexuality as we know it today DID NOT EXIST in Biblical times. Thousands of theologians agree that saying the Bible talked about the homosexual lifestyle is like saying the Bible talked about electricity. Ludicrous, right? The Bible’s mentionings of homosexual acts had to do with the degradation of someone. After winning a war, or to show dominance, men made other men slaves by raping them. If the context of the culture is taken into account, it is almost impossible to say that the Bible condemns homosexual relationships because they simply didn’t exist. Study some history before setting yourself atop your judgemental self-made (not God-made) throne. No one would ever come to Jesus as a result of your tone.

    • You sound awesome, Amber. I admire your open-mindedness and compassion for those who think their interpretation of the Bible allows them to condemn others for their sexuality. I’m glad you’ve found a spiritual group that practices true love and community :)

  51. Glennon – Thank you! As a gay man who has been touched personally by Momastery and the Monkees ( yes, I consider myself a Monkee), this is an exciting time. My partner and I have been together for over 32 years. We have outlasted many of our heterosexual counterparts. We have left the Roman Catholic church not only because of it’s stance on homosexuality, but the rampant bigotry and the widespread abuse and cover up…but that is another discussion.

    We also have two sons who are in middle school who wonder when their dads will be able to get married. They have a large circle of friends, with both gay and straight parents. They do not see this as an issue, but just another aspect of life. They also do not see race as an issue, and are thankfully color blind to racial intolerance.

    I envision a world in which we lay down our weapons and love one another. We all have feelings and we all bleed the same. What a wonderful world it would be if everyone spent as much time and energy on love, compassion, acceptance, and helping one another as we do on intolerance and hatred.

    Thank you for taking a stance on very difficult topics. You are a savior and hero to many!

    LOVE WINS!

  52. Thank you for your writing. I started this reading in the same place and with the same thoughts and feelings as you– but you took me further and gave me more to think about and helped me along my path. I find the best writers do this… thank you for writing and for sharing so much of yourself and your heart with us.

  53. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 – “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” SO many Christians quote this as proof that their judgmental attitudes towards homosexuals are justified by God. However, if you look through this entire verse and examine your own life, you will find that we all are in there somewhere! We have all done something on this list at sometime in our life and you are just fooling yourself if you think you are not in there somewhere. At sometime you have probably gossiped about somebody – spreading information that later turned out to be untrue – slander. You probably swindled someone at some time – not much of course- just a little – maybe getting something at a deal you knew was too good to be true, but you took it anyway. Have you ever been greedy? Eaten too much at an all-you-can-eat buffet? So – we all have sinned, we all are sinning. I think Jesus discussed this issue directly in a verse not listed so far that, to me, is the most relevant of all – “let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” All those who throw stones at homosexuals while quoting the Bible are denying Jesus’ actual teaching.

    • Yes, “we are all in there somewhere” -we are all sinners. But is that an excuse to willingly, purposefully continuing with the bad practices? Can you just say “oh, God knows I’m not perfect, I’m a sinner, so I can continue to be gay and he will forget about the fact that he clearly condemns it.”

      So, yes, we can’t judge each other. But surely God can judge us, and he can see whether we are trying to stop doing all the things he condemns, or just using his love and undeserved kindness as an excuse to keep doing wrong. In order for Jesus’s sacrifice to cover us, we have to recognize the sin, and repent of it. Not keep doing it because we know the sacrifice will cover us, over and over again.

    • Kathy– I really like that you mentioned the all-you-can-eat buffet because one of those “sins” that I see truly killing Americans is gluttony. This is not me attacking anyone, just pointing out that lots of people who attack homosexuality, something that doesn’t harm them in any way, do not have the same view on our overweight and overeating society. There is actually a fight to accept this as just the way things are, and to me, that it far more detrimental not because it’s a “sin” but because it is our health and well-being. And that, Maria, is a sin that people choose to repeatedly break day in and day out without following the Bible or repenting for it. The others might happen here or there, but this certainly becomes systemic. So I feel that the reason homosexuality is picked on is because it’s not us who is asked to change typically and we don’t understand it. It’s a lot more difficult if you are the one trying to change, as is evidenced by the growing cultural inability to put health first.

  54. wow!! Are you a mind reader? You said everything I feel! I believe we should all strive to “Love like Jesus” and this was a great way to put it!!!

  55. Brava! I loved your post — thank you! It made me feel good about humanity and Christianity. Reading a lot of the comments, however, made me feel bad about humanity and Christianity. Booo! A good reminder for myself — stick to the blog, and not the comments. At any rate, well done, Lady! :-)

  56. This is truly amazing & very well put!! Thank-you for putting into words what so many of us feel.

  57. So happy about the ruling. And Glennon, yowza about Nate Berkus!!

  58. Hey G!

    You can now proudly add to your Burkley T-shirt, that Tanya read my essay and waves it around like it’s a big gay pride day parade banner! However that’s too much of a mouthful, so just make a new one! We Christians/Hoochie Mamas/Gay/Straight/Bi/Sinners & Saints love you back and are thrilled to be at the banquet table of life with you! Keep shining your bad-ass self! It’s all about love.

  59. The definition of love is patience, kindness, goodness, self control, etc. The Bible never condemns two people of the same sex loving each other in this way, i.e. David and Jonathan, Naomi and Ruth, Paul and Timothy. Parents love their children deeply. God loves us deeply. But none of these loves involved sexual union. The Bible is certainly pro-love. God is love. The argument about homosexuality isn’t whether love is okay between different groups of people. Love is always God’s will. The argument is whether sexual relations in these circumstances is what God intended.

    The Bible also condemns sexual relationships between adult children and their parents or between siblings. These are consenting groups who could certainly love each other deeply and have a strong connection. The Bible definitely encourages parents to love their children and brothers and sisters to love each other. What the Bible does reject is the sexual relationship between these groups. Love is always right between all people, but sex is not the same as love and shouldn’t be represented as if it is. The Bible’s definition of love is often quite different than popular culture’s. Love isn’t passion, attraction, sparks, or chemistry. Those things can be positive or negative depending on the situation (i.e. adultery, pedophilia, etc.) Love often means seeking another’s good while putting aside our own desires, sacrifice, and restraint.

    • Brillant and True.

    • I like your point, Rachel: “The Bible’s definition of love is often quite different than popular culture’s. Love isn’t passion, attraction, sparks, or chemistry.”

      This is true. I think many of us are reading the Bible and arguing our beliefs with varied definitions of love.

    • Perhaps I misunderstand Rachel, but your comment seems to suggest the the love between monogamous, committed same sex couples is only made up of “passion, attraction, sparks, or chemistry,” and does not entail “seeking another’s good while putting aside our own desires, sacrifice, and restraint.” I think that we (Americans in general) have finally come to the place where the majority know that is a false dichotomy. This post is one of the ways that American Christians are beginning to discuss it.

      This video of a pastor discussing what the Bible has to say about same sex relationships was posted in an earlier comment. I thought it was interesting.

      http://vimeo.com/53384967

      • I do not believe that adult same sex relationships are only made up of passion, and desire. I’m certain that is not the case. What I am saying is that passion and sexual desire are not the definition of love. The Bible encourages love between all, but not sex between all. I think it is wonderful for two women or two men to share their lives together platonically. Ruth left her country and her people to devote herself to Naomi. She said Naomi’s people would be her people and Naomi’s God, her God. She clearly showed self sacrifice, life-long commitment and love for another women. That is the type of love the Bible speaks of when it says love never fails; love always hopes; always perseveres.

        My point is that love is always right but adding sex isn’t always right. To illustrate my point, no-one has a problem with a brother loving his sister but almost everyone disapproves of the two having sex. On what grounds though, assuming they’d taken precautions to not produce children? The Bible condemns incest in the same way it condemns sex between two women or two men. But if that teaching is disregarded, then on what grounds would you or another object to an adult daughter and her father marrying or to two brothers marrying? When we toss out the Bible because it’s teachings aren’t what the “majority knows to be true” we are left with a subjective morality that says anything is right if it feels right to me at the time.

        So if you object to a father and a consenting adult daughter marrying and having sex, I again ask on what grounds? Because it is non-traditional? Because we don’t do things that way in our country? Every reason beyond “because I believe in the Word of God and it condemns the act” will prove to be subjective and every changing with the winds of public opinion.

        • Thank you for your clear explanation. I will definitely use some of what you said!!!

        • This is wisdom vs. knowledge. People may quote what they like and use it to serve their purpose…that is a mastery of knowledge. But wisdom is applying all of the knowledge without underlying motives. When all other logic fails to be communicated or understood, look at NATURE. Love can easily be defined through nature as the old testament describing EVERYTHING in the world as good…except one thing. He said that man being alone is not good…man needs woman. Now, when you look at ALL of the tweaks and mutations of nature we have seen and caused through time (keeping in mind God still said it is ALL good), one thing remains constant through nature. Our existance still depends on man and woman coming together. It is God designed, God intended, and the truest wisdom that can be deceived from the ever changing times that we face.

          • Always Learning, just to be clear, I’m not advocating homosexual unions or incestuous relationships. My illustration was to show that apart from an absolute moral truth, one can justify any number of behaviors or lifestyles.

        • Rachel S., thank you SO much for taking the time to articulate exactly how I feel on this topic, in a much better and meaningful way than I ever could!!! Great job :)

        • Rachel natural law is not specifically derived from the Bible. A person does not need to exposed to the Bible to understand that it is wrong to kill. When you look at the specific example of incest, it is the situation itself that makes it wrong. A father is in an authoritative position over the hypothetical daughter. The father is supposed to give his unconditional love to a daughter and a sexual relationship would interfere with his responsibilities to nurture his child into a complete human being. One does not need the Bible or any other book to see that there would be a huge conflict of interest in any incest case.

          • Well said Chad. And I also think that biology might come into play here. Before you could take precautions not to pro-create, not committing incest protected future children from birth defects and kept the human race healthier and more diverse. Homosexual acts can’t produce that. I know that doesn’t deal with all the points Rachel made (like two brothers) but it touches one of the basic reasons that I can see.

            And really well said and interesting points Rachel. I had never heard or thought about things that way.

        • Thank you for this!

        • Dear Rachel S.,

          First I would say that I am absolutely not in favor of modern day incest.

          However, it is interesting to note that in taking the story of Creation literally, God actually brought about the population of the world through the sexual relations between brothers and sisters (despite it being against the law of Leviticus). Moreover, Tamar seduced her father-in law, Judah, (again this was a sexual act against Levitical law) to bear a child that would be in the lineage of Christ. The Bible even declares this act righteous!

          For this reason I argue that the Spirit of the Law and the Letter of the Law are different. The Spirit of the Law protects families against jealousy, against family members taking sexual advantage of one another, against divorce, against favoritism. In the above instances, the Spirit of the Law was fulfilled despite the Letter of the Law being broken.

          It is hard for me to see what the Law protects in forbidding homosexual relations inside marriage; I do see how in the age of ignorance regarding sexually transmitted diseases prohibiting male-male relations and specifically prostitution could absolutely make sense.

          To be perfectly honest, I haven’t thought this argument out very well. In fact, I could scarcely call it an argument. Just a thought. What do you think?

    • Rachel you are so right. Love needs to be defined in our culture. As Rick Warren has stated in the past: “Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.”

  60. Thank you for this! I completely relate to your struggle, and disagreement with the church. I live in a tiny Texas town so I’m sure you can guess what the general opinion on homosexuality is down here. Well, my hubby and I don’t agree with the general consensus. And (gasp!) we’re Christians! Baptist Christians! (we’re also Dallas Cowboys fans) ;)

    Anyway, I loved this whole article, but this part really struck home with me, because I think this is where I am currently sitting. “After my wrestling match with God, I wasn’t really exhausted enough. I still came up swinging. For a little while, I felt angry. Angry at anyone who had a different understanding of scripture than I did. Angry at people who taught that God disapproved of homosexuality. Prideful about my position, really.”

    So I am going to work on my anger (and my pride) and try harder to speak with those I disagree with in love. Reminding myself again that our kids don’t follow our words, they follow our example.

  61. This is everything I’ve always tried to put into words but couldn’t seem to find the right words to do it. Thank you so much for this post and really all of your posts on unconditional love.

  62. I just finished a beautiful book called ” love is an orientation” by Marin, it is a wonderful look in how Christians can love the glbt community. Worth a read for everyone

  63. Thank, you, thank you, thank you for your wise and appropriate words. I’ve wrestled and struggled with what to feel and what to say and really, at the end of the day, all I can really think is that I’m not near WISE enough to pass judgement down on an issue such as this. If I choose love, and I just LOVE EVERYONE, will that not be what God wants me to do?? Of course it will be! Thank you for writing this in a way that I could not!

  64. [...] I truly hope that each of you, on either side of the spectrum, reads the following blog: I love gay people and I love Christians. I choose all. This is a truly unique post that I hope everyone reads. (I plan to do a response post to it [...]

  65. A compassionate follower of Jesus warns people when they are living outside of God’s design (as represented in the Bible). It is said out of LOVE in order that they may escape His judgement from their sin. Homosexuality is not a bigger sin than any other sin. We all deserve God’s wrath which is why Jesus came to this earth to be brutally crucified. He was the ultimate sacrifice for all of our sins. When we believe He is the son of God and follow His commands, we are redeemed in this life and the life eternal. A Christian worldview submits to God’s word. God loves us ALL and desires we all turn to Him and turn away from all of the behaviors HE deems wrong (yes, even homosexuality). Here are the words contained within scripture regarding homosexuality:

    •Lev. 18:22, “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”1
    •Lev. 20:13, “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them”
    •1 Cor. 6:9-10, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
    •Rom. 1:26-28, “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.”

    • If you are a follower of Christ, you believe in the teachings in the New Testament. In response to a question regarding which of the Old Testament teachings was the most important, Jesus stated “The greatest of all these is LOVE.” None of the scriptures you quoted were from Jesus’ time.

      • Jessica, you, like many others here, are choosing your own interpretation of the Bible and its teachings. Corinthians and Romans are New Testament books, both written after Jesus’ death. You are correct in stating we should love each other, specifically that we should “Love Thy Neighbor”. And so as followers of Christ, we love the sinner, but do not love the sin.

        The scripture lines above that Elaine quoted stand as they are written. There is no room for interpretation in those sentences.

        • The book that Christianity uses as it’s holy rulebook is The Bible. All of it. So if someone claims to be a Christian, (Jessica) they can’t reject some parts of it and say “oh, that was written before blah blah blah…..

          Is the entire Bible inspired by God or isn’t it? No matter when it was written. Someone who says they belong to a Christian religion cannot reject ANY of the Bible, even those verses above that condemn homosexuality, or they are NOT a Christian – since Christians supposedly believe that the ENTIRE Bible is inspired, i.e. “written” by God, through men.

          Sorry if it doesn’t coincide with some people’s sexual desires. No one said that being a Christian is easy – you have to overcome your wrong desires or at least not act on them, if they are clearly condemned in the book your religion deems “holy”. And they are.

          • Wow Maria. You sound angry, and must be so tired of feeling that way. So what would you like the see good Christians do in response to homosexuality? Simply continue communicating that this is wrong, or that God hates them? Or begin following the Bible to the letter? Perhaps you can organize stonings in your town? Not only for homosexuals but for the other blasphemous acts such as working on Sundays, eating shellfish, infidelity or other now abandoned thinking. You seem very resolute in your judging, so how about some sentencing?

        • Love the bigot, hate the bigotry.

    • Why is it that God stopped communicating devinely inspired prose 1500 years ago? As I started to learn scripture in Catholic school, I could not seem to understand how God simply stopped communicating with his people. Today, the best we have is people interpreting a book that was written long ago. We have come such a long way…women are considered equals and not just a submisive partner, people are not considered lesser than human because of the color of their skin, and now we are tackling the issue of sexual orientation. One must look back at the social changes we have made throughout the last 1500 years and ask whether we have changed the past for the better and maybe God has been communicating with us, but no one has taken the time to add it to God’s Devine word.

  66. What an awesome post. Thank you.

    While I understand the arguments made by anti-gay Christians, I’ve never heard a sensible argument that didn’t ultimately rely on a Bible verse. In other words, I’ve heard no argument from them that would be sensible absent a proof text. In the absence of the clobber verses, it would seem nearly impossible to reconcile discrimination against gays (much less condemning them to Hell) with the message and example of Jesus (and with common sense and common decency). That strikes me as not merely legalism, but arguably anti-Christian legalism.

  67. I tagged your post on my blog tonight. I really love what you have to say here.

  68. I would totally by that bumper sticker, put it on my minivan and by 100 more and share them with friends and strangers. Love the love!!

  69. Glennon, I just found this post bc a friend put it on her FB page.

    What you said here:

    “And I’m betting everything on my belief in our relationship, on my understanding of His character and love. Aren’t we all? And if I’m wrong, and I very well could be . . . I don’t really think He’ll send me to hell for it. I think He knows I’m doing the best I can down here. I know He knows that. I believe.”

    really jumped out at me because it is almost word-for-word the conclusion I reached a few years ago. We went through a similar process, you and I, and it’s really encouraging to know I’m not alone. It’s not an easy stance to take, and I admire you a lot for speaking out about it. For me, being raised in the type of church community that I was, it was like stepping off a cliff and hoping God was there to catch me. And He did and is and always will.

    And it is important–even for those of us whose immediate families don’t include gay people. It matters because it’s an issue of justice for people who God loves. And it matters because what we believe God thinks about this says a lot about what we believe about the character of God. And what it means to love someone unconditionally. I became so tired of “love” that included hooks, conditions, and qualifications. I was so tired of my theology making me afraid to love people the way it seems God loves us. The theology had to go–and that was scary. But it also was freeing.

    Your letter to your son was beautiful, too. So beautiful. Thank you for sharing your word-gift with us.

  70. [...] And This. Just this. I love gay people and I love Christians. I choose all. [...]

  71. Love this. What you write about, your attitude here defines Christianity to me. Just wonderful.

  72. “You’re not the kind of Christian I am, so you’re not a real Christian.”

    “You don’t interpret scripture the way I do, so you don’t know scripture.”

    Complete bullshit.

    Newsflash, fellow Christians. God is even bigger than the Bible. It points to God, but it is not God. The words we use to describe God are wholly inadequate. God is not a man because God doesn’t have a penis. God is Mystery of Mysteries. Mondo Beyondo. Ninety-eight percent of the universe is UNKNOWABLE. And yet we’ve got it’s Creator all figured out? PUH-LEASE.

    • Holla!!! :):):) I think sometimes it’s easier to think the Oneness of All can be known and defined, especially by a book. No offense to all of us, but on this planet, it often feels easier to be a sheep instead of a deeply independent (aka deeply in tune with Spirit/God/Creator/insert your word as It lives in your own heart) being that is deeply connected to all of Creation.

  73. Are you ok with all references to mother and father being deleted from government run programs and those receiving funding (due to the discriminatory nature of the terms)?
    Also how do you reconcile the Fourth Commandment, Honor your Father and your Mother? Do you see that as discriminatory?

  74. I have an adult homosexual, now transgendered child that loves Jesus. I love Jesus too. Very, very much.

    I believe you can be hetero, homo, bi, and/or pan sexual and still be a Christian. I do. I believe you can be a compulsive food addict, and prideful lunatic and still be a Christian. I do. My child may be the first and I may be the second but Jesus is absolutely crazy about us. But the gig is up, Jesus is crazy about you, too. I’m free to make choices that do and do not line up with God’s best as shared in the Bible. I believe the Bible is clear that my compulsive bingeing is against the Bible. It’s called gluttony. I believe the Bible is clear that marriage is between one man and one woman. I’ve prayed, cried and wished that I could solve this for everyone. This is where I’m at: I will never stop loving Jesus, my kids and people. My love for another human is not defined by their sexual preference, bank account, societial status or performance.

    But…if they are a butt-wad though, I may love that person from a distance…because sometimes my pride still gets in the way of the person Jesus is molding me into.

    • Steph, you seem really thoughtful and loving. I was wondering whether you’ve watched this video by Matthew Vines who is a gay Christian.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezQjNJUSraY

      It might be helpful for you or your son.

    • Steph~
      You actually get it. In order for you to continue to love your child you don’t have to deny that homosexuality is a sin. I think that is what is so hard to accept from most of these comments. Most people make the assumption that if you believe that the bible says homosexuality is a sin, then you don’t love homosexual people. In fact, most would say you *hate* them.
      People- It is possible to LOVE, have COMPASSION for, & RESPECT the homosexuals in your life even if you believe the bible says homosexuality is a sin. They are not mutually exclusive.

  75. I like what you said about loving gays, I’m behind you on that one. I also don’t like the condemnation that makes it so easy to condemn people we can love. I’m with you there.

    I’m scared to write the rest, because I generally avoid confrontation.

    What about the children?

    Now, I’ve read the post by your gay friends. I AGREE that your friends love and cherish and fight for their little boy. It’s obvious! I agree they love and cherish and fight more than some (many?) heterosexual couples may do. No personal condemnation here. I also believe that children need more than love, that love is not enough. I believe this for any type of parent. Love is a BIG part of the picture, the most important part, but I think a whole individual needs more than just love.

    And I don’t know — I don’t think anyone knows for sure — whether two same gender parents can give a child everything s/he needs. Gender is biological, and gender development is biological and psychological, and I think it’s likely that children of both genders need healthy intimate relationships with both genders as they mature.

    I’m reminded of a time when people thought divorce wouldn’t affect children, — children would be fine, parents could have dual custody, etc. Now I think it’s obvious those statements aren’t true; it’s also well documented in “The Unexpected Legacy of Divorce.” As we begin to change, for a second time, the way marriage, families, and the upbringing of children are structured, I wish our society would more closely consider the effects on children of not having close, intimate relationships with both genders during childhood.

    • Close relationships with both sexes are a part of the many same-sex parented families that I know. The children cultivate close, loving meaningful relationships with wonderful aunts and uncles, friends. My boyfriend of ten years is Daddy to my best friend’s adopted daughter as she is single and has no man in her life. We recognized the importance of this good, strong positive male role model and provided it. It is the same with the same sex couples I know. Be reminded of how friends and family member step in when a parent passes away or is sick, this is no different.

      • Thank you for your comment. Referring to your last sentence — Extended family relationships are important for children, and critical when two parents aren’t available. But they still aren’t a perfect substitute for two parents. Notice, you are referring to extenuating circumstances, death and illness, not the norm.

        Again, it reminds me of the divorce arguments of 40 years ago. People argued that dual custody was just as good, children would get more quality time with each parent and they wouldn’t be exposed to marital arguments. But dual custody wasn’t as good, nor better, than a married couple in the home.

        I read your comment as saying that two same-gender parents can have uncles or grandparents create meaningful relationships with their children. Yes, but those relationships are still different than having two primary care givers of both genders at home. Perhaps the difference isn’t significant, but it certainly might be, and I wish society/psychologists would determine the effect before changing the norms for the way children are raised.

  76. I want to say Thank you for writing this blog. I appreciate you saying what Moms like me wish everyone could know. My background is Baptist so you can imagine the grief and hurtful things I have heard about my daughter’s homosexuality. She is very open and beautiful and comes from a long line of Baptist Ministers. I think one of the most hurtful things said to me was ” and she has such a good Daddy too”?!? No all gay children were not abused as children. She does have a wonderful father who loves her mother and has been faithfully married to her (me) for 27 years. Thank God he did not hear this comment. We did not “turn” her gay. She is a wonderful loving person and we take allowed her to be confident and be who she is and accept her, all of her for just who she is. We are not ashamed or afraid that God is going to condemn her to hell for who she is. He created her and He is proud of her too!

  77. I commented earlier on this post, but I keep reading the comments and find it all fascinating. I love discussion, and I love that this is a place where we can think and share and talk to eachother with kindness and love. Many of us will walk away with very different conclusions. But, at least this post is causing us to pause, look into ourselves, and question why we believe what we believe. I, for one, was very sure of some things and very uncertain of others as I began reading this. Since then, I have spent a lot of time searching scripture to find the answer to what I was unsure of and to make sure I had Biblical proof for what I was so “certain” of…I didn’t just want to believe it because I was taught it. I wanted it to be a precious truth to me because I sought after and searched the Word of God until I found the answer.

    I talked with a friend last week. She comes from a “hell, fire, and brimstone” religious background. Her husband was a minister and taught her that gay people choose to be gay. That they make a decision to turn from God and live a perverse lifestyle. This is a dear, dear woman who is trying to unlearn a lot of things and live her life with more grace, love, and understanding. She asked what my thoughts were. I said that I couldn’t fathom how a child in highschool would choose to be something that would cause him or her to be subjected to the hatred and bullying that sadly so many face, and that tragically so often leads to depression and suicide. It doesn’t look easy being gay. You lose friends and family. You are rejected by much of society, and sadly Christians as well.

    She also kept talking about “this gay person I know” or “my gay neighbor is nice enough”. This bugged me and I told her to stop and think about what she was saying. I asked her if she talks about me as her “straight friend” or if she thinks of me as “Lyndsay. That girl that likes dudes.” I find that people often look at a gay person and all they see is their sexuality. I would want to be thought of beyond my sexual orientation. I am a person. A person who has passions, beliefs, perosnality, a past, a future, a life, likes, dislikes….I am so much more and am so much deeper than “straight”. That is just one part of a million parts that make up who I am. I encouraged her to look beyond the fact that her neighbor is gay and see that he is a person. People (myself included)tend to categorize. That doesn’t feel right to me.

    I am straight. I don’t have very many gay people in my life. If there are any gay monkees (Oops! Look at me! I’m categorizing, but I kind of have to here.) who read this, I would love your thoughts on what I said. I admit, I projected my own thoughts in my response to her, so I would be interested to hear your thoughts. Thanks!

    <3

  78. Hi G – I’m an atheist and have had a hard time feeling Christianity before. I love religion, I find it fascinating, and I love churches. I find them beautiful. But I never felt faith because I couldn’t wrap my mind around it. But you have put it SO beautifully (brutifially?) that I just had to tell you. Thank you for a love heavy message. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate and enjoy your insights. We’re kindred spirits, you and me. And I’m so happy to read all your heart has to say.

  79. Glennon, I love how BRAVE you are. You are so right in all that you said. I smiled ear to ear as I read it. I’m going to work on my own BRAVE. much love to you

    • Robyn Kelly …. thank YOU too, for your comment. It encourages ME to also be brave(R) because usually I’m not very brave at all!!!!!

    • In fact ……. in my “bravery” I posted this entire article on my FB page and have already received a negative comment, which really surprises me. REALLY surprises me. How can anyone possibly dispute what Glennon has written here. I want a bumper sticker, t-shirt, and maybe a baseball bat…….hehehehehe

  80. Your best post EVER. …and that’s saying a lot because you’ve had some damn good ones sister!

  81. Hi Glennon,

    For the most part I really liked this article and it helped me to look at this issue from another light and I really appreciated that. This is something my heart has struggled with for a long time but I could never put into words how I felt about it. Your post did just that-so thank you.

    I also wanted to comment that your post also left me troubled and hurting and I couldn’t go without telling you so. When you commented that Christians need to find something other than homosexuality and abortion to talk about- that disturbed me. You spent a lot of time explaining how you arrived at your position on homosexuality and related it back to the Bible and that I could easily relate to and follow. However, you lumped abortion in there without so much as writing one sentence as to why. I would truly like to hear your thoughts on this issue. I struggle to comprehend how anyone can reconcile in their heart the ending of an innocent child’s life. I struggle to understand how Jesus would be okay with this. Is this really an issue that a person can support and find peace in their heart with and have faith they are acting in the way Jesus would want us to? I am really struggling with this and I can’t stop thinking about it. Would you please share your thoughts on this? Thank you

    • Glennon addresses her abortion and not regretting it in her book.

      • I know. Love all*.

        *except the unborn.

        • I have been sitting here reading this comment thread and it is comments like yours, filled with judgement and cruelty that confirm why Christians frighten me. I know that I shouldn’t lump the good Christians in with the bad, but whenever I consider exploring Christianity, I freeze up in fear of unknowingly being spiritual with people who use religion to justify judgment and hate. Hypocrisy isn’t Christian.

    • Yes! I felt that was unnecessarily lumped in there too. Abortion is clearly covered in the Bible, starting with “thou shall not kill”. And these- http://www.focusonthefamily.com/lifechallenges/love_and_sex/abortion/what_the_bible_says_about_the_beginning_of_life.aspx

      Like you, I do not believe Jesus would ever want anyone to choose abortion, it is a painful and devastating action for ALL involved- especially that innocent child. I also don’t think anyone can really have true peace about it- despite what they tell themselves- unless they experience the true forgiveness, healing and grace of Christ.

      • I could be wrong, I am not Glennon after all, but what I feel she meant is that she wished the majority of Christians would turn their energies from only protesting abortion and homosexuality and use it to HELP people. To help find food for those that are hungry and homes for those that are homeless and to create hope for all people instead of just focusing on protesting abortion and homosexuality.

        • I agree with Glennon’s point that we should think beyond **just** the hot topics of homosexuality and abortion. You said, “she wished the majority of Christians would turn their energies from only protesting abortion and homosexuality and use it to HELP people.”
          I would argue that using your energy to protest abortion IS helping people: the babies who have no voice in whether or not they get to live. That is a worthy cause, and one that I will pour my energy and love and soul into.

  82. Loved this post. After getting sick of hearing the same harsh homily week after week (as you said, “He’d appreciate if Christians picked up a couple more issues other than homosexuality and abortion to address” — EXACTLY!), I recently left the Roman Catholic Church to join the new American National Catholic Church. The Mass and sacraments are the same, but it’s more liberal and everyone is welcome (priests can be married, women priests, gays are welcome, gay priests, anyone can go to Communion, family planning). It’s wonderful! http://americannationalcatholicchurch.org/faq/

    • Oh dear God. I say this with love, that is NOT Catholicism. I LOVE the catholic church, went to catholic school my whole life, was very involved for a long time, and decided to leave because of a lot of reasons that are none of anyones business on the internet. BUT, I will always defend the church because it is my family and you wouldn’t want anyone to say false things about your family would you? No. I hope the name of your church gets changed. It is NOT Catholic. Now, I will say that I like all the ideologies I read on the website about it so don’t think I’m against it being a religion. It’s great! But I repeat, IT’S NOT CATHOLIC. Please tell whoever is in charge to change the name. It’s misleading. Remember that I say all this with love :)

      • I like that someone took the good from Catholicism and created a new religion. I left the Catholic Chruch many years ago and miss a lot about it. There is nothing wrong with a group creating something new and referencing the old to appeal to those who might be looking for just such a group. I don’t think there is much chance of confusing the two!

      • Thanks for your response, Nancy. I disagree, though – the Roman Catholic Church does not have a stronghold on the term “Catholic.” Fom the homepage of the ANCC website: “But there are many other types of Catholics. Some are associated with cultural groups like Byzantine Catholics or Polish National Catholics while others such as Old Catholics span all cultures. While some groups are in union with Rome, others have their own bishops, in the tradition of the Eastern Orthodox Church. We have seen many such independently governed churches for well over 200 years.”

  83. Thank you thank you!

  84. As Christians, we believe God is who he says He is. We believe scripture is the inerrant word of God. We seek to worship and honor God in spirit and in truth. We resist the desire to create a God of our own understanding that matches up with our own personal ethics. We try to follow God’s commands. Here are the verses straight from God’s word pertaining to homosexuality. The Bible is clear. Christians who condone homosexuality are not in line with scripture. Christ shed his own blood for ALL of us. For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. We accept Christ, and by His power, He turns our hearts away from our sin (including the sin of homosexuality).

    Christians: do not be fooled by those who preach to you another Gospel.

    •Lev. 18:22, “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”1
    •Lev. 20:13, “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them”
    •1 Cor. 6:9-10, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
    •Rom. 1:26-28, “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.”

    • Hi Elaine- It is true there are many other scripture besides Mark 10 that address the issue. Thank you for bringing this to light.

      Glennon- you wrote, “When Jesus said that marriage was between a man and a woman, he was responding to a question about divorce, not sexuality.” That may be true in that one chapter of the bible, but there are many other scriptures to consider.

    • Thank you for sharing the scripture references.

    • Loving your fellow human beings is not condoning anything….there is no doubt that Christ was not asking us to judge anyone on his behalf, so preaching the Bible doesn’t change the fact that every one of your God’s children ,created in his image, might I remind you, deserves your love and compassion.

      • Nan- did anything in my post call for not loving anyone? A compassionate follower of Jesus warns people when they are living outside of God’s design. It is said out of LOVE in order that they may escape His judgement from their sin. Homosexuality is not a bigger sin than any other sin. We all deserve God’s wrath which is why Jesus came to this earth to be brutally crucified. He was the ultimate sacrifice for all of our sins. When we believe He is the son of God and follow His commands, we are redeemed in this life and the life eternal. A Christian worldview submits to God’s word (which is all I have represented here). God loves us ALL and desires we all turn to Him and turn away from behaviors HE deems wrong (yes, even homosexuals).

        • Elaine: I copied this from another author – credit below. There are many parts of the Bible that people disregard now. Do you own slaves? Do you touch your husband during your menstrual cycle? Would you sell your daughter? One has to look at the historic context in which the Bible was written, too. It impacts our understanding of it, and I personally don’t think ANYONE here on earth is able to know with certainty the meaning of God’s Word in all of it’s intricacies. And remember – God’s Word was selected, organized and translated by MAN – there is a whole lot of room for error there. The Holy Spirit guided, but didn’t do the work alone.

          1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?
          2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
          3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness – Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
          4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
          5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath.Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
          6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination – Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there ‘degrees’ of abomination?
          7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle- room here?
          8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
          9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
          10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
          I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.
          Your adoring fan.
          James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus Dept. of Curriculum,
          Instruction, and Special Education University of Virginia

          • Relevance?
            The bible is in two portions – the old testament (which provided the law) and the new testament (which abolished the law and provided a path to life through Jesus and Jesus alone).

            All of those scriptures you referenced were old testament, particularly from the book that gave us the law. And yes, we no longer live like that. Thanks to Jesus we don’t have to.

          • Erin and Tony,
            I appreciate the points you have brought up here. In the OT, God gave the law to show humans His purity and their sinfulness. There were three categories of laws that He gave: judicial laws, ceremonial laws (which are the ones you have noted), and moral laws. Christ came to abolish the law, yes! By His grace, we no longer live under the ceremonial, religious lists you have mentioned. But, God’s moral law is different. It is a reflection of God’s moral virtue. It is the standard of right and wrong that Christians should seek to live by. God’s moral law is never obsolete and a study of the New Testament and Jesus’ words and teaching consistently reflect God’s moral law. Sexual behavior is part of that category.

            Even if you want to disregard the Levitical passages in the OT regarding homosexuality, you still have the problem of what Paul teaches in Romans and 1 Corinthians (which are both in the NT):

            •1 Cor. 6:9-10, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

            •Rom. 1:26-28, “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.”

            A consistent Christian worldview is not like a salad bar – we don’t get to pick and choose the things we like out of the Bible. Where God is clear, we must submit. Make no mistake: homosexuality is clearly a sin in the eyes of God. Christians are called not to condemn them but to warn them and point them to the truth of God’s infallible word.

  85. Glennon, you are such a gift to all of us!!! Thank you again for the goosebumps, wise words and sharing of LOVE!!!

  86. The bells at Washington National Cathedral ring in celebration of the SCOTUS decision on DOMA and Prop 8: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151982835104056&set=vb.536284055&type=2&theater

  87. This is so beautifully written, thank you so much for posting!

  88. I have some serious concerns about your scriptural basis for your entire thesis. Theologically, as a Christian, you must believe that God has existed eternally into the past and future from our dimensional framework of time, but that He exists outside of the bounds of time (God exists at all times and all places simultaneously, else He is not God). You also have to agree that God is unchanging and constant. The God that says homosexuality is a sin is the same God that sent Christ into the world to free the world from the slavery of sin, not through tolerance of continued sin, but reprieve of the wages of that sin and a calling to live for Him and not the lusts of the flesh. I think you are selectively choosing what to believe and as such you are corrupting the truth of the scriptures. Read my response linked at my blog for a more thorough breakdown.

    • By this, I understand you are asking us NOT to be selective about the Bible writings. Ok, so: no lame or blind people allowed to worship? All adulterous women to be stoned? everyone with a tatoo to go to hell? Have you recently offered a cow in sacrifice to apologise for all the sins this has to be done for? These are all in the Leviticus.
      So we are ALL being selective. Thing is you are selective about something different from us. We love you anyway.

      • This. You make a good point Sofia and pose some great questions. Hoping the original commenter takes the time to come back and respond.

        • I will -
          Leviticus is the book that provides the law by which those in Moses’s time (before Jesus) were called to live. Jesus came to earth to abolish the law.

          I’ll make it easy on you and let you know that Glennon bases her theology on the fact that in the new testament it says women are supposed to cover their heads in church. Since we don’t cover our heads, she declares all of the new testament as no longer relevant to our society today.

          Here’s my question – how do you know covering your head in church ISN’T a sin? I mean, just because we don’t do it, are we really bold enough to declare with 100% certainty that it’s not a sin?

          I love homosexuals without agenda and without an asterick. I do, however, take issue with Glennon attacking Christianity to support her viewpoints. I think it’s important to remember she does not have a degree in theology, and the viewpoints she presents is her truth, not necessarily God’s truth.

          • Hi,

            I’m sorry to interrupt – I don’t actually want to comment on Glennon’s post (which I found heartfelt, enlightening, a little bit patronizing, but otherwise definitely something to chew on) but on a comment I’ve seen a few times:

            “Jesus came to earth to abolish the law.”

            I just wanted to point out a specific verse: (NIV) “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”

            I am no theologian and will not interpret this; I simply am concerned to hear Jesus’ words (accidentally) misquoted.

          • Hi, Crystal -
            You can google for some different interpretations of that topic, here’s one…

            http://www.gotquestions.org/abolish-fulfill-law.html

            Proud of you for seeking clarification! It’s a great case in point that there are different ways to interpret the bible based on context and language translations. Hope that helps – keep seeking His light!

          • Wait? We’re allowed to interpret now? I’m honestly just confused. How is it different to choose vs. to interpret?

            And what if people are choosing and interpreting wrong – covered heads or homosexuality – if you are a believer you trust God will have the final say anyway. So if one woman is willing to commit the sin of not covering her head and another is willing to committee sin of loving (and having relations with) another woman and both women are willing to bet their eternal lives on their interpretation of the Bible…why is it anyone else’s business?

            This is something I have simply never understood. There are so many religions, which demonstrates free will, right? (Otherwise the “true” God for all would be able to make sure we all believed the same thing) So religion is a personal choice/decision/calling/path – one person’s relationship with the divine. Why does it matter what the person next to you (generic) believes? If you think you are right with God, great. If your neighbor thinks he is, great. Maybe one of you is right, maybe neither of you is. In either case it is your decision and your soul to bet, no?

    • Absolutely agree! I am tired of “tolerant” Christians, leading others astray. I believe in following scripture in its entirety. Every word that Jesus said. And if it says in the Bible:

      1 Corinthians 6:9-10 – “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”

      What does that truly mean? That they are excluded from the Kingdom of God. Love them? Absolutely!!! But lead them astray and tell them that they can live this lifestyle and be included in the kindgdom of God? no way. And let me say that sin is sin, yes. But not all sins are treated the same in scripture. Some are issues of heart that can be repented for, but aren’t practiced daily, (pride, anger, etc) but some are sins of action, when you are choosing a lifestyle that scripture condemns repeatedly, where you cannot enter the Kingdom of God, then that sin is a daily choice to go against scripture. You are not changing your life, denying the lusts of the flesh, and making a change to make Jesus Lord of your life. Which is what a true Christian is anyway. Yeah, you have good days and bad days, but if you are daily choosing this lifestyle, then Jesus isn’t your Lord yet. And I will love you until you make the decision to leave the sinful life behind and embrace Jesus as Lord.

      I think we are producing weak Christians who will one day, regret their lukewarm way of life, for they will be spewed out. (Revelation) We need to go back to the roots of our faith instead of trying to fit our “modern” society into our faith.

      And don’t forget this:

      Leviticus 18:22 – “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.” (NIV)

      Leviticus 20:13 – “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.” (NIV)

      Romans 1:26-27- ” Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men., and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. (this scripture in Romans is in the passages dealing with God’s wrath against mankind for their godlessness and wickedness)

      So I do strongly disagree with you when you say homosexuality is not a sin. Wow, it is almost as if you didn’t even read the Bible. I can’t support that belief because that is clearly not what the Bible teaches. But, I do have gay friends and love them, but I don’t lie to them about scripture to ease their conscience into “accepting” their behavior. I can’t accept what God condemns and call myself a Christian. Many people claim to be Christians who have views that clearly contradict what Scripture teaches. Why do we try so hard to rewrite scripture to ease our conscience so we can keep participating in our sinful ways? That isn’t the God I know. He says the gate is narrow and few find it. Love people into the kingdom, of course! But don’t lie to them and tell them that God accepts their sin. Yes accept the person, but I can judge sin, because scripture says I can.

      And if you weren’t sure, the scripture on head coverings is about male authority under God, and females being under their husband’s authority. The head covering was a symbol of being under proper authority. Never was it listed under detestable sins. Not a “sinful lifestyle that leads to being rejected from the Kingdom of God”

      • So do you believe that a person who is blind or lame should not approach the alter of God? Because Leviticus says that too .

        • Kelly- This section of scripture refers to the dos and don’ts of men entering the priesthood of Aaron. A priest had to be pure with no physical defect. He was a physical symbol of a future spiritual reality-the coming of Christ. God was asking for a physically perfect man as a priest to represent the spiritually perfect man, Jesus. It was a foreshadowing of the perfect sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

      • Thank-you Rebecca! Well said.

  89. Thank you for this wonderful and enlightening post. God speed.

  90. This is beautiful. And I agree 100%.

  91. God does love everyone, including gay people. God hates sin, every sin not just homosexuality. What upsets me about the photo at the top of the page is that it says, “If God hates gays…”. That is a total misinterpretation of scripture. He hates the sin of homosexuality just like he hates the sin of greed, lust, covetousness, etc. that most of us are guilty of on a daily basis. He hates EVERY sin and just because we love God doesn’t mean we won’t struggle with sin. You can’t pick and choose the parts of the Bible you want to believe in. You are either all in or you are just making up your own religion. Just because many parts of the Bible are hard doesn’t mean you can just discard those parts and make up something that’s easier for you to believe in. I sin every day, many times a day. Not because I have intentions of sinning, but because it’s my nature. It’s something I have to fight. It’s something I have to want to leave behind and become the person God wants me to be. Because He is God, I am not. I don’t suffer from the sin of homosexuality, but what I do struggle with is not better or worse. It’s just sin, all of it. And to say anything else, is making up your own interpretation of the Bible. If you don’t believe the Bible then that’s a completely different conversation. But it seems the argument being made on this subject uses the words of the Bible to support their views that we should love everyone, not judge others, CHOOSE ALL. You have to study the words of the Bible to understand what they say. ALL THE WORDS. Not just the words that make you feel good or support your personal viewpoints.

    • Thank you, Danna. Thank you for writing truth here. I’m going to save what you wrote.

    • I would just like to say that the only part of the Bible that condemns homosexuality is in the Old Testament, and the words themselves are up for debate as to the correct interpretation. Jesus never once mentioned homosexuality… not ONCE. Also, a lot of these sins you describe are in the Ten Commandments, whereas homosexuality is not. Just saying…

  92. You are such a gift! I often wonder why more important issues like human trafficking aren’t boiling blood like gay marriage does. Thank you for this post!

    • Jennifer — RIGHT!? Can we THROW all of our passion and angst and all of the love in our souls toward that issue please!? People who are put into places we would never dream of – where politics are completely irrelevant and all that actually matters is pure Love? I wonder if they give a hoot about who marries who but rather who is sincere?

  93. Beautiful! Absolutely BEAUTIFUL!
    LOVE WINS!!!

  94. “I love gays. I love Christians. I choose all.” –> what about gay Christians your post title seems to make these two descriptors mutually exclusive. Is that your position/belief or just an editorial decision regarding length of title? Also, IMHO, the pic used seems to promote a stereotype of queer identified people…

  95. UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!! Supreme Courf strikes down DOMA!!

    Love wins!!!!!

    • BBBBAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

      THIS IS SO EXCITING!! I am a real person in the eyes of my government!!! YAY YAY YAY YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      I can marry now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      ~A

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